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~3 mph is average walking speed on flat hard surface.

Do any of you guys use a rule of thumb for hills and valleys while carrying your pack?


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1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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In the mountains with a full pack and up hill one to two miles an hour is a good average for me.

But I made the decision that getting their the fastest isn't fun any more

If the way out is mostly down hill and a lighter pack double that.
 
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I never cared. Long as I get there safe and with a heavy pack. Things are good. So many variables in ground cover to effect speed one step to the next.
But for the up and down it usually balances out probably pretty close to average. I’m a horse though, when I start getting close to home I often find myself speeding up not on purpose.


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Absolutely. I know if I am in backpacking shape, on reasonable trails, I can count on 3 mph all day. If I am off trail and also navigating, 2 mph is a pretty good estimate. If it is really rugged terrain with no trails and very thick, like it was in the Yukon this past summer, all bets are off. At that point I try to plan for 1 mph, but even that can be a challenge.
 
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I never cared. Long as I get there safe and with a heavy pack. Things are good. So many variables in ground cover to effect speed one step to the next.
But for the up and down it usually balances out probably pretty close to average. I’m a horse though, when I start getting close to home I often find myself speeding up not on purpose.


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It would be entirely dependent on terrain and load. I've never been a fast hiker but once going I don't stop very often if I have a reason to be somewhere at a certain time.

Just as an interesting bit of history, I read somewhere the British army marched at 5 miles per hour. I assume that was on flat ground. That's a fairly brisk walk.


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Thanks for the info. Sounds like I should plan on somewhere around 3 hours for a 5 mile uphill hike with pack.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I should plan on somewhere around 3 hours for a 5 mile uphill hike with pack.


That would be reasonable unless it is really steep.
 
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Or your packs really heavy. Or their is lots of brush. But you may be in awesome shape and it won’t matter. If it’s unknown country always plan for obstacles you need to detour around. Cliffs, canyon, lake, etc. stuff like that will slow your mph if your measuring straight line.


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I know that when hunting tahr in NZ, even though the mountains might only rise about 3000 feet above the flat, it would take me more than six hours to get up where the critters were, straight above, and three hours just to 'ski' down the shingle slides in the evening.
 
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Climbing 14ers here in Colorado. I figure 1MPH and 1 hour per 1,000 foot of elevation gain. I slow way down above 12,000’ elevation with a big load on.



 
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I always love (tongue in cheek) the stories about the nimrod who averages over 10 miles per day, all week, while hunting elk!!!

It makes me question the validity of the whole story since I've never seen elk country where any man, woman or child could make that was possible... and still be hunting elk!

With a pack in moderate terrain a good rule of thumb is 1.5 mph for most guys. Some are 1/2 mile per hour faster and some slower unless you're on a flat hiking trail. Subtract from that figure for elk in Idaho and add to the MPH for plains elk.

Add more weight and incline and it slows things down in a hurry with the needed breaks.

Okay, there is a difference between hiking and hunting so you decide what your reality is since I know what mine is.

My 2 cents,
Zeke
 
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