Would this combo work for coyote and other varmints. Loaded some up with my accurate target load of 4.4grs. of Tightgroup. Would 650fps to 700fps, open up enough to suit this purpose? Gun is a Springfield XDM 4.5" 45acp.

Probably going to need a little more velocity to get it to expand much, hitting bone would help.

Dick

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Originally posted by sixshot_01:
Probably going to need a little more velocity to get it to expand much, hitting bone would help.

Dick

I agree to bump it a wee bit in the velocity department would seem to help. Other than that it should work.

Suggestions on different powders that will produce higher velocity? I go up higher in Tightgroup and groups open up quite a bit. I have also tried WST powder and could not get any groups to be pleased with.

You've got a bullet that starts at nearly a half-inch in diameter to begin with; why don't you go shoot a few coyotes and see how it performs with your accurate load?

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Originally posted by MS Hitman:
You've got a bullet that starts at nearly a half-inch in diameter to begin with; why don't you go shoot a few coyotes and see how it performs with your accurate load?

Thanks.

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Originally posted by MS Hitman:
You've got a bullet that starts at nearly a half-inch in diameter to begin with; why don't you go shoot a few coyotes and see how it performs with your accurate load?

Agreed. I've shot several groundhogs with .45 ACP ball ammo, and it killed them instantly.

Max load with Unique and the Speer 230 gr GoldDot in my .45 is the most accurate that I have found. Load also performs equally as well with the Hornady XTP 230. And the bullet performance is spectacular. I know I wouldn't want to get shot with it. If you're interested, I will look up the exact grains, off the top of my head, I don't remember.

You do know that Speer makes a Short Barrel 230 GDHP designed for the lower velocities of the short barreled 45 ACP's?
The cavity is designed to make the bullet a better expander at low velocity.

Whether it opens at those velocities or not, it is 45 caliber to start with.

Many bullets can only wish to get UP to 45 caliber.

I don't know about your load but my load is A Lee 230 gr with 5.3 gr of WW 231 at just under 800 fps. The lead is hard and these bullets don't open at all. They still seem to get the job done. Ron

A 230 Gold Dot (or is it now called Deep Curl?) at 700 sounds much the same as what I was proposing using on deer in another thread here. Except that was in the context of something to be retrieved, cleaned and taken home to eat. But, my feelings about coyotes lead to a different conclusion on what loads.

IMO it makes no difference whatever what type of gun, cartridge, caliber, load, ballistics, bullet weight or fps are used. That's a value judgment I put on coyotes. If what I had was a .22, I'd use that.

The load you have sounds just fine. But, if you really want expansion, I'd use a smaller but much faster moving caliber like a .357, .32 H&R Magnum, .327 Fed, or .22 Magnum. And, what I'd really like for varmints would be a .22 Jet Magnum - that'd be exciting.

If you are not going to load a HP bullet fast enough to expand, why use one?

I would load up some hard cast 200gr SWC [the H&G No 68 style], or some 230gr Flat point bullets. They are cheaper and easier on your barrel.

The H&G No68 style SWC are very accurate, many NRA Bullseye shooters used them at 50 yards.

They make a good hole in game as well.

I loaded mine with 7.2 to 7.5gr of Unique for field use.

For NRA Bullseye shooting 3.8gr of Bullseye.

You just have to call the coyote in close enough for a good clean shot to the vitals. The gun/load should work.

Best performer on game for me has been 200 gr. XTP at 1000 fps. One shot kill on several deer out to 75 yds. Does great on groundhogs.

My most accurate load with the 230 GD is 5.4-5.5 gr of Solo 1000 for a skootch over 900 fps with WLP. Very accurate and zero to nil muzzle flash. I shot a video of it at night. This from my 5" Ed Brown Special Forces 1911.

Alan

My CCW/Commander load is: 8.1 gr Ram-shot Silhouette. Under a 230 Gr Gold dot (standard; not short barrel).
Zero Muzzle flash, Very Clean, Amazing accuracy, Chrono'd MV of 910 ft/sec from a 4.25 inch barrel DW Valor VBOB

Hans

You might also consider a 230 gr LBT LFN loaded medium hot. This is the bullet a lot of 45 Super & 460 Rowland guys seem to be using. Veral called it a "best seller" in some of my correspondence with him. It's reputed to be an excellent "live target" bullet.

There is confusion with Speer .

The Gold Dot is a premium bullet designed for Defense to meet the standards of expanion and penetration for that use.

The Deep Curl is a Hunting bullet with similar but heavier construction. It gives deeper penetration plus excellent penetration. That I've used on deer and it works very well !

By virtue of starting at 0.452", not much expansion is necessary on deer. Truncated cone bullets have worked fine in ACP loads. The Lyman 260 grain Keith style works equally well in the Auto Rim cartridge.

I find Silhouette to work very well in all the
non-mag pistols. 38Super, 40S&W ,10mm. I will try 45acp next.

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Originally posted by Endoguy:
My CCW/Commander load is: 8.1 gr Ram-shot Silhouette. Under a 230 Gr Gold dot (standard; not short barrel).
Zero Muzzle flash, Very Clean, Amazing accuracy, Chrono'd MV of 910 ft/sec from a 4.25 inch barrel DW Valor VBOB

Hans

There is no confusion with speer.
Here is the original question.
"Would this combo work for coyote and other varmints. Loaded some up with my accurate target load of 4.4grs. of Tightgroup. Would 650fps to 700fps, open up enough to suit this purpose? Gun is a Springfield XDM 4.5" 45acp."
The Speer gold Dot HP for the short barrel is designed to "open up enough" at the velocity levels that are specified.
The standard Gold Dot HP will open up too but less at that velocity requirement stated.
Whether or not it is a defense bullet should not make any difference on the game mentioned.
Since the game is not of large proportions.

With regard to the Speer bullets, in 45 caliber the Deep curls are not listed in 45acp, only 45 Colt (250 as the smallest). Not to say you cannot go 250 in the acp, just that the 230 is a Golddot, not deep curl. And as Old, posted more than enough for varmints.

Craig