Hi all . Anyone know how to order a BFR with the normal cylinder length in 500 JRH . I can find the 50 AE , and the 500 Smith in the long frame , they mention that 500 JRH ammo can be shot in the 500 Smith , but they don,t list that caliber by itself .,
Any ideas ????????

Thanks ...

Go the the Precision Center of Magnum Research.

I did not see where they had a 500 JHR in a short cylinder. But call them and ask them.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_precision.asp

Go to www.magnumresearch.com, and click on products where they will display their guns. About the middle of the page there is a picture of a revolver, and it says "Magnum's BFR" where there is a list to choose from starting with "Revolvers", but go to "Precision Center" and click on it, and you will find what you seek........

On the site it looks like they made an error and listed the JRH as a long-cylinder model, but in "Handgun Hunter" magazine recently they tested the BFR .500 JRH and it was the short cylinder BFR model.......

It is indeed an error on the site. The .500 is built on the short cylinder.

. Ya sorry for all the confusion , ,,, but you can see what I mean ... I hunted around for it quite a bit and was unable to really understand why they would only have it in the long frame gun ......

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
. Ya sorry for all the confusion , ,,, but you can see what I mean ... I hunted around for it quite a bit and was unable to really understand why they would only have it in the long frame gun ......

So when are you going to order one??

What is the difference between the .50 AE and the .500 JRH? Could someone enlighten me?

The .500 JRH is a 1.4-inch case. Same case capacity and length as the .500 WE but it predates the WE). The factory ammo from Buffalo Bore featuer a 425 grain truncated cone flat-nose at 1,350 and a 440 grain WFN at 950 fps........

Here is a picture of the 425 grainer.....

Oh, and you can shoot the JRH in a .500 Smith.......

Thanks Whitworth, How do they compare in size to the .50 AE?

.50 AE is a much shorter case that debuted in the Desert Eagle autos. It doesn't have a rim either. The JRH is more of a hunting round than the AE which I really don't know how to classify........

OK, thanks Whitworth. Let me regurgitate it back to you to make sure that I have it. The .50 AE (Action Express?) is a semi-auto round, the .500JRH and the .500 WE (Wyoming Express?) are one and the same. They are rimmed "revolver" cartridges.

Is that right?

The WE and the JRH are not one and the same. Same case length and capacity, but in order to make a "different" cartridge out of the WE, they removed the rim and added a belt.

Whitworth:
the reason the wyoming express has a belt is so that a 50 caliber cartridge can fit in a Freedom Arms single action cylinder. The 50 JRH rim is too large in diameter to fit in the Freedom Arms cylinder even with 5 hole spacing. The Freedom Arms Model 83 cylinder diameter is 1.755 in. and the BFR cylinder diameter is 1.850 in.
The BFR cylinder is also longer at 1.855 vs. 1.785 for the FA. This allows for less bullet intrusion into the cartridge on a BFR revolver thereby increasing velocity potential if you can find a bullet mold with a longer nose-to-crimp length and you are man enough to shoot it. So despite what we've been telling our wives all these years, size does matter (both length and diameter).
Incidentally, the BFR weighs a half pound more than the FA.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
.50 AE is a much shorter case that debuted in the Desert Eagle autos. It doesn't have a rim either. The JRH is more of a hunting round than the AE which I really don't know how to classify........

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So I e mailed Jim Tertin @ Magnum Research and he said they can make an extra cylinder for a BFR 50 AE in 500 JRH ... The cost is $350.00 and takes about 3 weeks ... Plus you have to pay shipping ect ... Pretty good deal I think .....

The 50 AE is a very useful round . Tho it may not be a 500 Linebaugh or 500 S&W . It is the equal of the 480 Ruger . ... I like the idea of a convertible revolver ..... A guy I know and worked around @ False Is. had a Desert Eagle in 50 AE . There are no shortage of bears in the Sitkho Lake valley which is where he worked and lived ... I don,t know if he killed any bear with it , Chances are fairly good that he had to, I think he shot a couple deer with it .......


It seems like a good option .. as sometimes there are boxes or 50 AE ammo around . and I could get a plug cutter mold with a .475 meplate and 400 gr weight for the JRH ....

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the reason the wyoming express has a belt is so that a 50 caliber cartridge can fit in a Freedom Arms single action cylinder. The 50 JRH rim is too large in diameter to fit in the Freedom Arms cylinder even with 5 hole spacing.

I'm not sure that I understand this bobmn. How does the belt help the 50 caliber cartridge fit into a FA cylinder?

I did a search and I found a Gunblast.com article that said:

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The .500 Wyoming Express has a belted cartridge case, much like many magnum rifle cartridges. Using a belted case allowed Freedom Arms to fit the fifty caliber into the Model 83 without having to deal with a cartridge rim that was too large for the revolver, or a rim that was too small to easily manufacture.

I still can't get it straight in my head how this would help it fit in the cylinder better unless the entire cartridge is smaller in diameter than a .500 Linebaugh for example.

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Originally posted by bobmn:
Whitworth:
the reason the wyoming express has a belt is so that a 50 caliber cartridge can fit in a Freedom Arms single action cylinder. The 50 JRH rim is too large in diameter to fit in the Freedom Arms cylinder even with 5 hole spacing. The Freedom Arms Model 83 cylinder diameter is 1.755 in. and the BFR cylinder diameter is 1.850 in.
The BFR cylinder is also longer at 1.855 vs. 1.785 for the FA. This allows for less bullet intrusion into the cartridge on a BFR revolver thereby increasing velocity potential if you can find a bullet mold with a longer nose-to-crimp length and you are man enough to shoot it. So despite what we've been telling our wives all these years, size does matter (both length and diameter).
Incidentally, the BFR weighs a half pound more than the FA.

Jack Huntington (JRH) turned the rim down on the .475 Linebaugh and shortened the case to 1.38-inch in order to use it in the FA 83 (due to its cylinder limitations). This became the commercial spec for the .475 Linebaugh. I just measured the rims on the .475 and the .500 JRH and they are .539 and .543 respectively. The .JRH is also loaded to the OAL as factory .475 loads that fit the FA cylinder. I know for a fact that FA was contemplating the JRH as one of their offerings before they came out with the WE. Member jwp475 has an 83 chambered in .500 JRH -- it fits quite well. It started life as a .454 Casull and the factory cylinder was opened up. The .500 JRH was designed for the FA 83.......
I shot that particular FA in .500 JRH and that 1/2-lb sure would go a long way in taming the recoil (5 1/2-inch barrel). Factory 425 grain Buffalo Bore loads clocked 1,380 fps over the chrono out of this revolver.....

The .500 JRH fits just fine in a Freedom Arms 83.......

. The Hodgdon site shows the 500 WE pushing a 440 gr cast bullet @ 1450 and a 400 gr @ 1590 fps .
Regardless of other factors they have the mostest for the leastest [ velocity for gun weight ].
Yes they operate @ 47,000 psi . but since the gun is built for it that is a moot point ...

I,m not saying it is better , but I like belted cartridges ...[ takes all kinds , right ] . I just wish they had used H&H belted head size brass for it so I would have a semi unlimited source of brass ...

gumboot -- you can load the JRH to higher velocities as well, but there really isn't a need. That factory 425 grain load goes 1,380 out jwp475's 5.5-inch FA in .500 JRH...... It kicks pretty hard in the process......

... Ya thats why I prefer the rubber grip ..////

Don,t like all these pictures of guys with the front sight near their head ....
Plus I would like it in a 4 3/4" barrel .... It will be lively no doubt , but if you ever have an up close and personal with a brown bear you will see that the velocity you thot was more than enough at that moment seems too little .....

No doubt a moderate load will be used mostly , but for the realistic possibility of having to shoot a bear IDoLoP... Max reliable loads are just the ticket ....

Whitworth: You are correct. The 500 JRH does fit the FA model 83 and I was in error. The 500 WE rim diameter and belt diameter are the same at .545. The 500 JRH you measured was .543 so if the 500 WE works the 500 JRH should work also.
Why do you think FA still insists that the rim diameter of the 500 JRH precludes it's use in the Model 83? Would they have had to pay Hutchinson a royalty like Winchester and Jamison? The 500 WE is a proprietary cartridge as I assume the 500 JRH is. Was it a brass availability issue or what?

bob, I'm not quite sure what happened, but the .500 JRH was built specifically for the FA 83. They obviously had to do something to differentiate their .500 from the JRH, hence the belt. jwp475 (a member here) has the first (prototype) FA in .500 JRH. Starline makes brass for the JRH. I will do some digging and let you know!