Yeah, I'm interested in the cost too. If it's too high I'll just skip it and get the one from Reeder (which I'm going to get no matter what. But if S&W's cheap, I'll get it too).
According to Gary Reeder, Cor-Bon will not actually be selling any ammo until S&W announces the gun.
Wonder if the brake/comp is removable? I've never shot a S&W revolver before, but if it's anything like the Super Redhawk porting ain't gonna help. (To me anyway, the SRH just slams straight back, with no muzzle flip; porting wouldn't do a thing for it).
Anyone here ever shot a big S&W? I'm curious how the gun recoils (lots of muzzle flip, straight back, etc)...
quote: glock20rocks: Anyone here ever shot a big S&W? I'm curious how the gun recoils (lots of muzzle flip, straight back, etc)...
Just shoot a few of time a Model 629 with 2 models of wood grip one made by Hogue and the other made by a custom frim. I have shot full load .44 magnum with 240 and 300 grains bullets, only factory loads. Recoil wasn't painful at all, I can tell you i shoot with a Raurus RB .454 with ported barrel, it is a pussy cat (porting+rubber grip)compare to same load in a FA.
Posts: 831 | Location: BELGIUM | Registered: 23 May 2002
BER007, was the recoil more straight-back or did it want to roll? To me at least, that makes much more of a difference in actual felt recoil. Maybe it's just me, though
Gunnut, it is ugly! But then all Smith's are. But quite powerful. That may just make up for it I thought the Ruger .454's were ugly, but after getting one...it's kinda grown on me. Now I like the monster alot! Kicks like a bitch, though, huh? If only it would roll back...
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and Ruger will make a .500 S&W. I know I'm dreaming, but...
Wait a sec...no I don't want 'em too...unless it's a single action.
If you want your SRH to roll back, put the Hogue rubber grips on, perhaps a better description is whipping back though!
I must be a mutant, but at least in the 480, I prefer the straight back recoil over the muzlle whip. I still would like to try the decelerators. The upside of the hogues is you don't mash your second knuckle on the trigger guard.
Posts: 7213 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 27 February 2001
Doggone!! Its big, ugly, and powerful....reminds me of me . I want one. I wonder if i can get it with a 4 inch barrel. Put a red dot sight one it, remove the front sight and put a piece of foam padding there so that the end of the barrel wont get imbedded into my forehead.
Paul, thanks for the tip. I'll grab a the grips ASAP. With the .454, that gun just slams straight back with quite a bit of force, I'd rather it just roll and let the recoil energy disapate a bit. I find if I bend my arm a bit and lock my upper arm, the straight back recoil of the gun naturally kicks it up a bit, which helps. It only comes up to a 40deg angle or so, though.
I'm not that big of a person, so having it roll is better than getting knocked on my butt (which almost happeded the first time I shot the thing; my first revolver & I shoot it w/full power loads like an auto). Live and learn, I guess.
To tell you the truth I prefer the FA which rolls in my hands (with my shooting gloves) than the staight back recoil of my taurus RB without shooting gloves. I'm not the same mutant than Paul H
Recoil is different for each person.
For sure lots of people will buy the new S&W, without ever shoot one big bore handgun before in their life. In a few months after the launch of the new S&W, it will have many bargains to do with this guns. IMHO, too much for a great number of future owners.
Like other guys in this forum, I have a Little experience with big bore handguns but don't know how this gun will react in my hands
Posts: 831 | Location: BELGIUM | Registered: 23 May 2002
Thanks BER007, I agree in that I want that sucker to ROLL. Just my view. As you said, everyones different. I read one review of my .454 that said it was one of the hardest kicking handguns around, and yet another that said it was the softest shooting .454. I think the second guy was smoking something
Folks do handle recoil differently. I may be missing a few, but I've shot SRH 454's, FA 454's in 5 1/2" manaport, 6", 7 1/2" both MNP and not, FA 475 6", Bisley 475 5", 475 7 1/2" braked, 500 Linebaugh 4" blackhawk, 5 1/2" bisley, and 5" SRH. Oh yeah, and my 7 1/2" 480
My favorite 454 was the 5 1/2" magnaported Alaska Master Guide series, with roundbutted laminated grips. John Linebaughs braked 475 was the easiest to shoot, but I didn't like the straight back push, in the .475" the SRH 480 is my favorite. I din't care for any of the 500's, Monte's 4" blackhawk was brutal, and the 5" SRH pushed back, and hard. For some reason, I've yet to warm up to the Bisley grip. I guess I just need to get one and get used to shooting it
Posts: 7213 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 27 February 2001
The S&W break is removable, according to those that have seen and fired the gun.
I dunno... I don't see how you can compair the Raggggging Bull to either of the Rugers or the Freedom arms. They're apples and oranges. While I only have a few cylinder's full of 454 through a Bull with the long barrel, I thought it was a puttycat.
Posts: 723 | Location: Ny | Registered: 17 March 2002
After looking at the picture it reminds me of the Dan Wesson SuperMag, just with a five shot cylinder and no interchangable barrel. It is interesting, but do we really need this?
I say, YES we do "need" this. Now if only they would lift the 50cal restriction. I still "need" a howda. Where is Monte hiding these days? I haven't seen him on shooters in quite awhile. I'm sure he'd have a few choice words about this new gun/cartidge. He'd probably make one up in a Derringer or something. Maybe the 500S&W could be my Howda round. Now if I could only chop and sleeve a 20ga double to pistol size and have it be legal. Lar.
Posts: 2924 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 23 December 2002
quote:Originally posted by BER007: Paul H, I din't care for any of the 500's, Monte's 4" blackhawk was brutal, and the 5" SRH pushed back, and hard.
Have you tried together with the Monte's gun, the "mighty" Monte's handload cartridges.
I think you can't find anywhere in the world such as "overload" cartrides
I can understood how was your pain after one shot of the .500 Line Monte's handload.
Anyway, Monte is a great guy and like him.[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, the most painful handgun I've ever fired is the S&W titanium 357 mag 2" snubbie. With 357 mag loads, it was absolutely brutal! They may be a pleasure to carry, but God help you if you have to shoot one.
Anyhow, yeah, it was maximum Monte's gun. I don't recall what the load was, I believe 440 gr @ 1200 fps, which wouldn't be a max load, but it got your attention none the less. I couldn't hit a damn thing with it, but I did empty the cylinder.
I like Monte as well, he is a colorful character for sure, and a very good shot.
Posts: 7213 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 27 February 2001
Ponder on this. The 500 Linebaugh is a wildcat based cartridge. We can make brass if need. So can the 475 and 480. (yes some guns will need turning of the rims). But what is the 500 S&W based on? (Sounds just different enough from the Linebaugh max to have different chamber spec etc. If it doesn't work out sale wise and get discontinued can it's owner wildcat something for the brass? Just food for thought.
Hcliff
Posts: 305 | Location: Green Bay, WI | Registered: 09 September 2002
Hcliff, you are right. Plus I don't think it'll end up being any more powerful than the .500 Long Max; look at the barrel length for that thing: 8 3/8"! How many .500 Long's have that long of a barrel? I would think 6 1/2" or 7 1/2" would be the most common. And since the .500 Long is just a cut back .50 Alaskan, getting/making brass has never been easier.
I've decided to pass on this on. Partly because the gun is butt-ugly, and two it's a S&W. Yuck. I've had bad luck with those before. I'll stick to Ruger/Linebaugh/FA/MRI/Reeder for my thumpers. I'll still be ordering a new toy later this summer from Reeder, but it will be a .500 Max.
Guess I got to caught-up with how "powerful" it was. Argh...
The brass thing is something to think about. Especially since it doesn't offer any advantages over the Linebaugh Max. Here are some more pics and info about it. Shows the size better as it is in a persons hand.
Well, it is not even CLOSE to being as ugly as a SRH. Basically it looks like any N frame on sterioids with a longer cylinder. I read somewhere, which may not be accurate at all, that it weighs 72 ounces. It will need it to handle the recoil.
I also think that the statement that it doesn't offer anything over the Linebaugh 500 max may prove to be false. It appears to have more case capacity, therefore it probably could have more giddy up and go, if the shooter could handle it.
Posts: 17099 | Location: Texas USA | Registered: 07 May 2001
quote:Originally posted by Gatogordo: I also think that the statement that it doesn't offer anything over the Linebaugh 500 max may prove to be false. It appears to have more case capacity, therefore it probably could have more giddy up and go, if the shooter could handle it.
Gato,
The S&W certainly has more case capacity than the standard 500 Linebaugh (1.4"), but I doubt it has any more than the 500 Max (aka 500 Linebaugh 1.6"). The S&W is slightly longer at 1.625" but I'd imagine the 500 Max makes up the difference with a slightly larger ID (.510" bullets vs. .500" for the S&W). When Ross Seyfried tested Bowen's first 500 Max, he got 450 grain bullets up to 1550 fps in a considerably shorter barrel. John Taffin got similar velocities when he tested a Linebaugh-built 500 Max.
Cannon
Posts: 269 | Location: Missouri, USA | Registered: 11 March 2001
On the S&W forum site, the designer said they are keeping pressures around the 40kpsi range. What I'd like to know is how will it hold up to extended fireing over time. My first M29 shot loose in 1 1/2 years. Started spitting lead and accuracy went down. Are they planning on a guy only shooting one box of ammo his whole life and just have it for show? If I get one, I'm going to shoot the ^&*() out of it. lar.
Posts: 2924 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 23 December 2002
quote:Originally posted by Lar45: On the S&W forum site, the designer said they are keeping pressures around the 40kpsi range. What I'd like to know is how will it hold up to extended fireing over time. My first M29 shot loose in 1 1/2 years. Started spitting lead and accuracy went down. Are they planning on a guy only shooting one box of ammo his whole life and just have it for show? If I get one, I'm going to shoot the ^&*() out of it. lar.
I'm with you, S&W aren't known to made the strongest revolver in the world I'm more confident in a Ruger or a Taurus. But I guess that most of owner of this gun will dowload it to .50 AE level. With muzzle break this gun at this level will be more easy to handle. I doubt that lots of people will shoot full loads with/without muzzle break out this gun. May be I'm wrong..wait and see.
Posts: 831 | Location: BELGIUM | Registered: 23 May 2002
Based on your measurements, I stand corrected and the .500 Max has slightly more capacity than the .500 Smith or whatever it will be called. Specifically, just figuring them as cylinders, about .03 cubic inches, which is roughly 2 1/2 %.
Posts: 17099 | Location: Texas USA | Registered: 07 May 2001
Corbon advertises its 400 grain bullet to 1675fps and the 440 grain bullet to 1625 fps. WOW I beleive that beats out the 454 and the 475. Hows that going to be on the shooters wrist?
Posts: 869 | Location: Bellerose,NY USA | Registered: 27 July 2001
quote:Originally posted by Tanoose: Corbon advertises its 400 grain bullet to 1675fps and the 440 grain bullet to 1625 fps. WOW I beleive that beats out the 454 and the 475. Hows that going to be on the shooters wrist?
Can you say carpal tunnel
I think in S&W's enthusiam to have the biggest and baddest, they missed the point about making something that the average hunter can actually use.
I'll stick with my lowly 480, 400 gr @ 1200 fps is quite shootable, and IMHO, if that isn't enough, it's rifle time.
Posts: 7213 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 27 February 2001
Wish i could afford one. Of course if i got one, i'd be happy with just loading heavy bullets at 1000-1200fps, not that i would mind the words Smith And Wesson imprinted on my forehead, but that stupid warning about fowllowing the instructions and firing the right ammo would be tacky and embarrassing. Such times we live in.
My 45-70BFR weighs about the same as the new S&W500. I've shot 405's up to 1750fps and while it does give the hand a good smack, it is totally controlable. The bbl on my BFR is longer so that may help some. I'm thinking that with the muzzle break, it will be comfortable to shoot. I also have the Taurus in 454 and have shot 405's up to 1550fps, it was not as bad as shooting my buddies 475. The muzzle break really works. I'm thinking that if the initial reports are good as far as strength and accuracy, then I'll probably get one. Maybe Starline will stepup and make some affordable brass for it. lar.
Posts: 2924 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 23 December 2002
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