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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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Originally posted by Lefteris Vassiliadis:
What I do not like about Glock triggers is not the pull weight which could be adjusted, as already mentioned, but trigger travel.

Those of use who shoot double action revolvers well double action have no trouble handling a Glock trigger.

If one can shoot a double action well one can shoot almost any thing well.

It is all technique.

I understand, but why all this trouble when there is a better alternative, named 1911?

If you want to shoot 1911s Thats your problem. I didn't start this thread to have it cluttered up with 1911 trash. If you can't learn to shoot a striker fired pistol, or don't want to learn to . That is NOT part of this thread ! So please , do start your own thread on your preferred handgun.

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Originally posted by Snyper:

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Originally posted by Colin Masters:
I would never modify the trigger on a self defense purposed glock. Massad Ayoob has written extensively on the subject.

Yes, it's his job to write about such things.
That doesn't mean he's always right..
Most cops and lawyers will repeat such things, but few can show real life examples of it making any difference in the actual verdicts of an otherwise "good" self-defense shooting.

I have the 3.5 in my Glock 23 and it's never fired when I didn't want it to.

Some worry too much, and some just repeat what they read on the internet.

Great post. To be judged by someone after a lethat action generally means one lived thru it. That is the first and most important thing to consider IMO.

I can adjust to any poundage on a trigger, I can't cope with trigger creep..My old 45 Colt has a 5 lb. trigger that breaks like an ice sickle and I don't have any issues with it, its safe and shoots great.

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I can adjust to any poundage on a trigger

Very true but it takes work.

My son brought a LC9 not the pro against my advice.

It was is in my opinion a lawyer and I am afraid of my gun proof design.

But the price was right and free market.

Now he realizes that it sucks so he brought up to me as I had a buyer for it. I have been playing with it after a couple hundred dry fires.

I believe that I could shoot it fairly well but long heavy trigger pulls on a light gun is a challenge,

I got a LC9 for my wife. Boy howdy, that was a mistake. It is basically a belly gun imho. And, it had a safety on it. She couldn't hit worth a hoot with it. I would have kept it for myself except it had a Lavender frame. The LC9S is a pretty good pistol tho.

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I would have kept it for myself except it had a Lavender frame

But wouldn't the boys on the job like that.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
On a defense pistol I would not mess with it, I would however buy a pistol that had a decent trigger pull. My old Browning HiPower has a crisp 4 lb. trigger and Im satisfied with that.

I'd bet it has been worked on in the past sometime. Does the magazine disconnector still work?

I've got a 5 lb trigger on my 20. I never carry it. Doesn't matter how light or heavy it is I can never tell when it's gonna go off.

If it was 2 stage it would be different.

I always know when mine is gonna go off. . It'll go off every time when I pull the trigger.

Sorry for being a wise ass.
Surely it goes off at the same point each time ??

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Originally posted by richj:
I've got a 5 lb trigger on my 20. I never carry it. Doesn't matter how light or heavy it is I can never tell when it's gonna go off.

If it was 2 stage it would be different.

Dry fire it a few hundred times and that well take care of your problem on not knowing when the sear breaks.

Yup, time on the trigger will solve lots of things.

Yes, at the end.

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Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger:
Sorry for being a wise ass.
Surely it goes off at the same point each time ??

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Originally posted by richj:
Yes, at the end.

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Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger:
Sorry for being a wise ass.
Surely it goes off at the same point each time ??

Just a matter of training your finger and mind on learning where that is each and every time.

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Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger: :::: I would like opinions/experiences , about the 3.5 lb connector. ::::: for general purpose and hunting. Thanks ! Glen.

I'll let others comment on hunting. For general purpose, Alaska is probably more gun friendly than some other places.

I can't speak for Ayoob, but he has documented plenty of criminal prosecutions & civil lawsuits where basically good people were justified in using deadly force in self defense, but were targeted afterwards because of whatever reasons (politics, insurance money, hatred, etc...).

Some reasons were total BS, but the folks & families still had to pay & suffer through all that courtroom and misreporting in the news.

A trigger lighter than factory, used for self defense or the accusation that you accidentally (negligently) shot someone, has been used to prosecute or sue people. I don't want to set myself up for that.

And I agree, learning to shoot a good double action revolver is great training that carries over to other triggers.

FWIW, IMHO.

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A trigger lighter than factory, used for self defense or the accusation that you accidentally (negligently) shot someone, has been used to prosecute or sue people.

Can you find one such instance? My lawyer and I did a Lexus/Nexus search for a couple hours and could not find a single case that was not internet myth. I would seriously like to know of one.

Same with the myth about reloaded ammo being used in prosecution. Can't find one of those either. I really am looking to find a case, not just being arbitrary.

My lawyer said these were irrelevant to the fact that someone pulled the trigger, intentionally or not, heavy or light, reloaded or factory.

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Can you find one such instance? My lawyer and I did a Lexus/Nexus search for a couple hours and could not find a single case that was not internet myth

All these recommendations are really only related to law enforcement law suits.

Deep pockets rule the day with insurance company welling to settle out of court for high dollars.

Defendants and their lawyers well look for anything that might call in doubt the practices of a department.

Whether the claims can be substituted or not.

On the civilian side it is more a matter of fact that you don't touch a round off unless you are absolutely sure.

So if YOU are positive YOU well never do that carry what makes sure YOU well never do that.

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A trigger lighter than factory, used for self defense or the accusation that you accidentally (negligently) shot someone, has been used to prosecute or sue people.

Can you find one such instance? My lawyer and I did a Lexus/Nexus search for a couple hours and could not find a single case that was not internet myth. I would seriously like to know of one.

Same with the myth about reloaded ammo being used in prosecution. Can't find one of those either. I really am looking to find a case, not just being arbitrary.

My lawyer said these were irrelevant to the fact that someone pulled the trigger, intentionally or not, heavy or light, reloaded or factory.

I forget where in internet land I read his posted Case histories, and my memory isn't definite enough to "quote" him, but Mas has taught from experience for decades, including this hair trigger concern.

Without speaking for him, or putting words in his mouth, I recall Mas' explanation of this as along the lines of opposing counsel convincing a jury that your trigger (below factory specifications; i.e. hair trigger) resulted in you accidentally shooting someone.

This leads to negligence on your part, which directly resulted in you using deadly force when you shouldn't and you are finished.

Juries are picked for their ignorance of gun stuff or anything else the other sides lawyer doesn't want them to know about.

Civil or legal or both courts. Not just cops. And if you have any kind of insurance they can tap into, or a house, or whatever - they want it.

For different reasons, "inappropriate application of Law" happens sometimes. Too many people legally defended themselves (per Court decision) but something like a "hair trigger" put them in prison or left them broke.

And yeah, apologizes for not simply posting case histories but I've lost the links. And after reading them, and my personal experience with stuff I disagree with, I simply decided not to go against the experience of Mas & others.

My opinion and worth what it cost....

I recently installed The Ghost Ultimate 3.5 connector and springs. The Trigger is NOT to light and Soooo Much smoother than the Original. I mainly use it for carry in the field.

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And yeah, apologizes for not simply posting case histories but I've lost the links. And after reading them, and my personal experience with stuff I disagree with, I simply decided not to go against the experience of Mas & others.

No problem. I really am just looking for any real cases. Been looking for a long time. Still looking. While I think Ayoob does good work, I don't automatically believe everything I read, from anyone, not just him.

Interesting thread and lots of opinions.

I carried an H&K P7 for years and shot various pistols and revolvers including DA competitively (DA wheelguns in pin matches). I hated my first Glock. The trigger does not roll like a good DA but is initially heavy and spongy and breaks abruptly with overvtravel. Dry fire shows how nasty it is. You can learn almost anything but improvement can save lot of time.

I swapped the connector for a lighter one. It was probably 1995 and I suspect it was touted as 2.5 lbs. I swapped to lighter striker spring and I did experience some light strikes. I then went the other way to a heavy duty striker spring (was it blue?) and a Glockworx (zev) heavy trigger spring which improves and lightens the pull. Yes. Check on their site. Ghost are another source.

I run that to this day and it is reliable and everyone who tries it likes it. I would do that for a hunting piece. The let off improves too. Here all Glocks subsequently came detailed with lighter disconnector kits as OEM as far as I know.

If light single action triggers are considered good I always wondered why a 3.5# Glock was bad. I recall an 8# called a New York trigger at one time issued to police departments. I would hate that. Accuracy is also critical to avoiding liability in defensive situations.

GATOGORDO,
The magazine disconnect still works fine, its never had trigger work..Its a crisp 4 pounds..it also has never jammed one time in over the 50 years Ive owned it and carried it in Mexico as the 45 was not allowed even for polic officers...Its the only pistol Ive kept for that long, in fact may be the only gun Ive owned for that long except dads and granddads Texas Ranger rifles..Its well worn..Im not much interested in pistols other than an ocassional deer shoot these days so sold off most of my pistols..I used to be into pistols pretty heavy but its rifles today.