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Hi I'm looking something to take advantage of the great deals I see on .500" caliber bullets, or, perhaps, the .451-..454" bullets, you can use in the .460. The .500JRH BFR, when it comes out, is in play. Both S&W .460 and .500's are in play as well. Any other suggestions? Thanks GS | ||
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Get the 500 Mag and you can shoot 500 Specials and 500 JHR. And when you are ready to go all out, put some 500 Mags in the gun. The 50 AE is another option. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Or get the one that you can wear on your hip. The big BFR and the X-frame aren't the most packable revolvers in my opinion. You need to define your parameters first and decide what it is that you are planning to do with your new revolver. Will it be a hunting rig, a backup gun? Or are you only planning on punching paper with it? If the latter is the case, then the size of the piece doesn't matter a lick. My .500 JRH BFR on the other hand is a joy to carry in the field. Welcome back, Alex. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I also would go with a .500 JRH or the .475. You need to be dedicated for the huge cylinders and I feel they are best for the large cases like the 45-70 and .460 Marlin. MR really needs an intermediate gun. | |||
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Thanks, I have been so busy with fighting our local representatives and trying to fight the Government with all they are doing to destroy or right, the guns have become thing of the past. It is sad! If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Fighting the government, this government , is a never ending task. Try living in Arizona where we are condemned for enforcing the law....the law the Kenyan in Chief  should be praising us for trying to enforce. 500/600/700 suggestion.....retain a wrist surgeon.  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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I just ordered a shoulder rig for the .500 Ruger Max, 7.5" barrel. Wondering if the .500 S&W will carry in the same rig? I don't mind the 500 Max cylinder length, in fact, I like it. I'm concerned the .500 will be banned in Kali, since they already banned the .50 BMG. I have two .475 FA 83's by the way. Maybe it's just cheaper to buy CPE .510 GNR and shoot that. It's very close to a dollar a round, which is what a case and bullet are generally, for .500 Linebaugh, or even .500 S&W though I do see deals every once in awhile. | |||
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I have sold my X frame 500's in 8 3/8" and 2 3/4" and have replaced them with x frames in 500 4" and 460 in 12" the 500 will remain as my "get off me gun" for rifle hunting or fishing backup the long 460 will become "the" hunting hand gun replacing the long 500 and my 44 Blackhawk (to be handed down). DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Greg, what is the intended purpose for the revolver you are contemplating purchasing? This should help with the determination you are trying to make. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Pretty much punching paper,using lower end loads, from the 275-440 grain range. Looking for something that I can take advantage of good deals on bullets, and shoot a LOT. Needs to be accurate to be fun. Have a shoulder rig on order for the 7.5" Ruger Max, and hope the gun will fit in that. I just hate not being able to buy bullets, and, right now, it seems like the only bullets in large numbers, and low prices are either .500 or 452-454. | |||
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A BFR in .500 JRH will most likely fit comfortably in that rig. Sounds to me like you need to start casting your own bullets, Greg. You will save a bundle of money and it's fun. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Well this is just my opinon so take it for what it's worth but if paper punching and fun were my objectives none of the x frames are it.They are obnoxiously loud.Accurate?The few I have touched off were that but not fun.Recoil I can deal with,but the muzzle blast was rediculous.Now the BFR I have shot in 500jrh was nice(whitworths).If for fun any caliber in BFR would be my choice,if they are all like that one, if big calibers are what you are looking.Again JMO. "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence,try orderin' someone else's dog around" unknown cowboy | |||
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CDNN had the 50 AE BFR's for $600 a bit ago. Not sure if a 500 JRH will clean out a 50AE cylinder? If so a cheap, quality 500 JRH would be had. If not, send it to JRH and for a bit more money a new cylinder could be installed for a still inexpenive big bore. | |||
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Just got the .475 loads. 325JFP 's should be around 1400 fps, and 275 Speer HPS around 1550. Have to get a chronograph out. AA 9 was used in both loads, and, anyone think those are going to bounce off deer or hogs? These are the minimum pressure loads for those bullets in .475 Linebaugh. Have to go shooting, ASAP. Next week is looking good. Mark: Casting is out, and, when I get my reloading stuff back, I may set it up in a storage place. My apartment isn't exactly reloading friendly. I don't think I could cast lead bullets for what Andy Rowe is selling loaded .510 GNR with 350 grain cast bullets for. I tried casting in the 80's, and I did pretty well up till the sizing and lubing part. Back then it was, IIRC, some ungodly mix of toliet seat seal, and some other stuff, to get hard cast bullets to run over 1350 fps. Ended up some place in Nevada was making very hard cast 230 grain ball 45 ACP, with high quality lube, that didn't lead in my Seville, for .05 cents a round, shipped. Ahhh, the old days. Take case, fill with H110, put bullet on top, pull trigger.LOADS of fun, and recoil wasn't too bad. I figured if I had to protect myself with that load, the guy would have a big hole, blind from the flash, and his hair would be on fire from the huge amount of powder that flashed out the end. FUN stuff to shoot, and reasonably accurate, without much recoil. GS | |||
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Any ideas on a .460 S&W, or something in a reasonably sized gun? Looking at midway prices, Oregon Trail bullets in .452 are about the best deal going for lead, without a gas check... | |||
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I find the 8 3/8 frequently @ gunshows in the 800- 1000 range sometime less. The 6.5" seems to be hard to find around here. I was told that the 2 3/4, 4 & 6.5 were no longer made in the 460, apparently now only making the 8 3/8 , 10.5 and 12 now, unless the custom shop, (performance center) is doing another length. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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THANKS for the info. I'll keep that in mind while shopping. Just ran recoil numbers for my new loads: Pretty much the same as a .44 magnum, but with much more horsepower: .475 recoil 275 grain bullet 1560 fps 28 grains of AA 9 Recoil Energy of 25 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 23 fps. Standard Loads No. 9 325 HDY XTP 27.0 1,430 30.0 1,589 49,340 1.739 Recoil Energy of 29 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 24 fps. .500 recoil 500 Linebaugh Barrel: 7.87" ■ Twist: 1-18" ■ Primer: CCI 350 ■ Bullet Dia: 0.511" No. 9 350 CP WFNGC 26.6 1,337 29.5 1,485 34,120 1.737 Recoil Energy of 25 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 21 fps. | |||
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No, as the case is 1.8-inches long. It doesn't fit in anything reasonably sized. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Tell me more about the 500 JRH. As usual someone has got my curiosity up. ''People should say what they mean and mean what they say. Life is too short to be lead down the wrong path.'' | |||
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Jack Huntington designed the .500 JRH to put a .500 caliber in the FA 83. It's a 1.4" length, shortened S&W .500 case. The two loads Jack offers are 440 grains at 950 fps, and, 430 grains, at 1350 fps. Think use .475 Linebaugh reloading data, with a bigger bullet, and cheap deals on .500 caliber bullets. Prices are good for ammo, from Jack, and, BFR is supposed to be offering their revolvers in his caliber, in the shorter cylinder Magnum Research revolvers. You can also shoot the .500 JRH in the .500 S&W revolvers. While not the .500 S and W, it will penetrate like crazy, and kill huge animals, which is what it's designed for. It will also go in a REAL revolver, FA 83, BFR, or Ruger conversions, vs. the S&W X frames. | |||
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GS, pm sent..... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The base of the 50AE is larger than the base of the 500 S&W/ 500JRH, so the base of the case would bulge. You can send a 50AE BFR back to Magnum Research for a 500 JRH cylinder, cost is $350. They will also chamber an extra cylinder in 50GI if you want for light plinking loads. I measured some cases and cylinders of different guns. 50AE BFR rim: .508 base: .539 chamber: .547 500S&W BFR rim: .554 base: .528 chamber: .534 500S&W S&W rim: .554 base: .528 chamber: .532 The base of 500 S&W Starline brass was .528, and CorBon was .527" So with a 500S&W case in a 50AE chamber we'd have 19-20 thou slop. My Ruger 45Colt sloppy BlackHawk cylinder is .488" with the brass being .476", for .012" slop. In my younger days I ran some stupid loads in the Ruger that stressed the cylinder and converted it to a paperweight. The brass didn't fail, but it did expand the base enough that they wouldn't chamber in my Seville. So I don't know if .019-.020" slop would split a case or not. Any thoughts on this? If a person didn't want a new cylinder, could we just cut a rim in the 50AE cylinder to take 500S&W cases cut to 50AE length? I wrinkled the mouth on a couple 500 S&W cases. I think I'll cut them to 50 AE length and turn the rims down to just fit the AE chamber and see what happens. I"m sending mine back for a 500JRH cylinder. | |||
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LAR45: Your on the money on everything you posted. There is someone that converted 50 AE's to .500JRH, and did it by boring the 50 AE cylinder. He found the brass stretched, the cylinder held, and I think he did about 30 of them. Can't remember the guys name. Jack Huntington would not rebore a .50AE cylinder to .500JRH last time I asked, due to the measurements you've made. | |||
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After a couple weeks serious shopping, I decided to go with modifying the FA 83 757 to .500JRH. I can't find anything I'd want to buy that is cheap enough to make me happy, and, if it is, it's a major project. So, the FA 83 gets a .500 JRH cylinder, a 5.5" barrel, with barrel band, and custom site, and it already has the trigger done, and custom grips. That will give me: 510 GNR 500 Linebaugh .500 Max Linebaugh .500JRH .475 Linebaugh .480 Ruger in three guns. Whenever bullets or brass are on sale, I'm there;-) | |||
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You can order a 500JRH directly from Magnum Research and have them put any length barrel on it... | |||
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First: Heard great things about your bullet lube. I'm in Kali, and, I have two .475 Linebaughs, both with 7.5" barrels. Why? Price was so good, I had to buy the second. I've realized one thing about myself: Most of the time, a pistol is going to cost me at least 1000-1500, to get it the way I want it. The 757 needed a trigger job, and custom grips. That makes it 1400 in. I'd rather have that gun, in a caliber and setup perfect, then buy another, and end up spending another 800 bucks on a lesser gun. Nothing against BFR's, but, they aren't Freedom Arms. Plus, you take your price and add 100 dollars on a BFR, and, I have very expensive gun already. The only used .475 BFR I've noticed in my local shops is going for 1000 dollars, same I paid for the FA's. | |||
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Where are all these cheap .500 bullets? "Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain | |||
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Ouch!! You're right, they're not Freedoms -- they're stronger (and a bit bulkier as a result), they tend to be as accurate if not more (gotta love that Badger barrel from the factory!), and you can carry them safely fully loaded. They're definitely not Freedoms.....but before the Freedom lovers jump on me, I do like them and I think they have the best grip frame out there (much better than the BFR in my opinion), and well, fit and finish is second to none. But yeah, they are a bit rough, but for the price of admission, what can you really expect?? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I must not make my point very well. First: in my area BFR's and Freedom Arms go for about the same cost: 1000-1500, if you can find them. Part of that is I won't pay over 1200 for a FA, and, the local shop knows that. Neither will anyone else, apparently, around here, in the big guns. I've heard the BFR is stronger, but, you are comparing 17-4 stainless, and 17-6, IIRC, and, the FA 83 is strong enough for anything a sane person would do. So is the BFR. Plus I HAVE THE TWO FA'S, AND CAN'T FIND A BFR, EXCEPT FOR 1000 DOLLARS USED, AFTER GOING 250 MILES, TO A BUNCH OF GUN STORES. For me, the BFR's are a work in progress. When CDNN puts them on sale, I'll start with a gun that costs about 800 dollars. Their price plus a 100 for my local FFL to do the Kali paper work. Then it will need a trigger job, probably JRH custom grip frame extension, and, I'm right about the same price as a used FA 83. Don't like the trigger on the FA 83, always a bit heavy for me. When all is said and done, I'll have a beautiful JRH FA 83 for less then a custom shop BFR. Speaking of which, don't get me wrong, when they are done from the custom shop, they are fantastic guns, for around 1500-2000 in .500JRH. Here is an example next to my FA 83 custom .475:  I recommended to someone to buy a .500JRH from the custom shop similar to this gun. By the time he got the gun it was 2000 dollars. Beautiful gun, but, an FA price. "Where are all these cheap .500 bullets?" Lawdog: The problem is this: Go to Midway, look up .510" bullets for the .500 Linebaughs. Last time I looked, NO BULLETS AT ALL. Look at .500" for the S&W. If not cheap, at least bullets, and comparable to .475 bullets in price. | |||
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For the same price, I'd probably get the FA also. I bought my 475 and 50AE BFRs on Gunbroker for around $650 ea, shipping $25-30, and a local transfer fee of $10-15(sometimes no charge). Awhile back when I emailed MR about a 500JRH the cost was going to be around $1300ish directly from them. You could also pick nearly any custom barrel length for no additional charge because they were going to have to cut and install a barrel anyway while it was being built. To send it back for a different barrel length would cost extra(don't remember the quoted price). The FA looks like an excellent gun. When the right deal comes along, I'll have to make a spot for one in the safe. | |||
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Somebody told me the lock work on the custom shop guns was better, or different, then the stock BFR's. Anybody have more information, one way or the other, on that? As for the 5 shooter part: The FA's do have a 1/8 pull safety that is supposed to make it safe with 5. If you look at my gun in the above picture, you can see it's in the safety position. Don't know how much of a whack gets through the safety, or, if the gun will go off. FA does say you should not carry the hammer down on a loaded chamber, but, one has to wonder if that's their lawyers talking. Also, prices might have gone down thanks to the recession/depression. Never know. | |||
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Huh? Where in the world are you looking? BFRs in .475 retail for about $800.00 -- that's new......  How about gunbroker? gunsamerica? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Guns and Things, Vacaville? BFR, 1000 bucks, used. All of their prices, except a 4" beat up Colt SAA 22lr, were really absurd. Only BFR I've been able to find. CDNN had them for about 500 bucks awhile back, but, I missed it due to buying the FA 83, among other things. Problem is, they usually are works that require a new barrel length, grip, or trigger, something that quickly decreases their value. The one above I shot, and wouldn't change ANYTHING ON IT,but, it was Jack Huntington's house gun, at the time, from the custom shop, with custom grips, etc. If you look at gunbroker, everything is pretty much long cylinder, over 700 dollars, plus 100 for my Kali FFL plus 9% sales tax. I take the 50AE, start at 700, plus 100 for the FFL, new cylinder, plus 150 in shipping to send it to BFR, or have JRH make one, for 300, then grips and an action job, and I'm over the FA 83. I'd also like a 454, but with a normal sized cylinder, not longer then my .500 Max size. Same deal, no guns. If you had a choice between 900 for a .475 BFR, or 1100 for a FA 757, which would you take??? | |||
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Here is a 475/480 on gunbroker link1 Here is another one link2 The first one is close enough I could probably do a face to face deal. I did however have a Hornady classic kit follow me home so for now Im going to postpone sending my SRH off. ''People should say what they mean and mean what they say. Life is too short to be lead down the wrong path.'' | |||
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Mr. P: In free states, can't you buy a new gun from CDNN, for like 600 bucks, BFR 480? | |||
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Never been on CDNN so I don't know. There are some 480's in BFR, but I think the guys at Magnum decided to do the BFR in 475/480. There are a couple of dealers I know and gonna see what I can get one thru them for. I did have one tell me I can get for around 800 once they become available. ''People should say what they mean and mean what they say. Life is too short to be lead down the wrong path.'' | |||
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They are .475s -- but obviously you can shoot .480s in them. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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http://www.mtbaldybullets.com/asp/products.asp Here is a link to some quality bullets in .475, .501 and .512. The BFR used to be chambered in 480, then after awhile they changed to 475. I saw a long frame in 480 once on Gun Broker. I think they should make a run of 50-70s. | |||
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http://www.magnumresearch.com/...oductCode=BFR480-475 Some of the older BFR's might be just for the .480, and require reaming? How can you tell the difference? Lar45: Thanks for the link. If you look at the pistol bullets, only the .501 comes with a gas check, and, the others are only 11BHN. That to me, means under 1000 fps, maybe a pretty good idea with a 405 grain .475 bullet, and 450 grain .510. Prices are pretty competitive. I also look at using rifle bullets in my pistols. The harder 18 BRN might work, but, in .476 they offer a 510 grain, too heavy .507 is too big for the .500's, and the 512's 600 grains too heavy, except maybe for the .500 Maximum, or, the 510 grain FN might work well at 1100 fps out of the Max as well. Problem is,I didn't buy enough maximum brass, and, it's out of production. Most of it's loaded with 525 grain bullets, at 1350 fps, just in case I go to Alaska, Africa, or the elephants get out of the local theme park... | |||
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It will probably say on the barrel if it's for 480 only. If it was reamed to 475, you might have to chamber a case to see? | |||
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