soooo.....i'm getting the idea i should try an ultradot on my FA 454 10" and am torn b/w the 30mm and the matchdot that has variable moa dots, any experience or recommendations on this?

I purchased an Ultra Dot a few months back & was excited to give it a try on one of my 44's, it looked great in the store.
When I got it mounted the dot was "fuzzy" with my glasses on, if I took them off the dot was nice & round, just like its suppose to be. I took it back & they told me it was because of my glasses! Well, guess what, I wear glasses, am I suppose to not wear them? I really wanted to make it work but for me it didn't. Anyone else have this problem, I think the scopes themselves are great but lots of folks wear glasses. Mine was the Pan V or something like that.

Dick

I wore glasses when hunting with my Ultradot 30 many times and never experience anything out of the ordinary.

I opted for the fixed MOA Ultradot 30 (you can adjust the brightness). I am not trying to shoot groups with mine (although it will), but use it primarily to hunt with. That said, I have been exceedingly happy with mine and plan on buying another soon as I keep mounting the same unit on different revolvers.

Red dots have no way to focus. you are stuck with what you see. I need my glasses to see a dot or there is a star.
That is the only downfall of a red dot.

Dick ~ Yours isn't a scope issue. Its indeed a glass issue that apparently requires a prescription change. Our eyes do change and new prescriptions are necessary over time. However a dot is a dot in this case to sight with. Makes lil' functional difference if it is a square, star, delta shaped or fuzzy but If it is too big, it can detract from precise shot placement. Outside of the optometrist office, I know of nothing that'll accentuate our astigmatism more quickly than a red dot. So, that said, short version is suck it up but if unable, update of your prescription may be in order.

after handling whitworth's ultradot i bought one.As his has also took a spill from a stand so has mine hitting the cross brace on my ladder stand.Checking for zero after proved it stayed true it is currently on a 500 linebaugh


here is a pic of looking through one sorry not great pic

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Originally posted by tradmark:
soooo.....i'm getting the idea i should try an ultradot on my FA 454 10" and am torn b/w the 30mm and the matchdot that has variable moa dots, any experience or recommendations on this?

Well, if you like multi choice dots, my pick would be a match dot as not much difference in price ~ at least from Larrysguns. However, my personal favorite for hunting usage is the streight 30mm UD as the dot size is workable and the package is a tad more compact for a packability factor of this fine handgun. That said, I have my one and only matchdot on an 83 casull just because I've nothing else to put it on

I wear glasses and I have been using one for several years on my bullseye pistols with no bad experiences. Planning to put one on my Ruger .44
in place of the scope that is now on it. I see no benefit for the different size dots and will stick with the standard sight.

Dick it is clear.
You should not be wearing glasses!!

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Well, guess what, I wear glasses, am I suppose to not wear them?

It is possible that your particular eyewear might have something going on with it that is causing this.
It is possible that your perscription could be handled via a pair of glasses that doesn't screw up the optical features of the red dot device.

For instance - I don't wear polarized eyeglasses when using a polarized motorcycle helmet face shield...



By the way, I wear glasses and I own a few red-dot optics.
They all work fine with all of my glasses.


Cheers
Tinker

Failed to comment that I too wear glasses w/o issues. Old, out of prescription glasses laying around here that I can't seem to dispose of will give me a blurry/out of round dot now.

I've never used one of these, so just out of curiousity, what all images can you have besides that real small dot?

What do you mean? It's a red dot, so you get a red dot. You can adjust the intensity or brightness manually depending on your light. They don't magnify, but they work great in low-light!

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Originally posted by Shack:
I've never used one of these, so just out of curiousity, what all images can you have besides that real small dot?

With the UltraDot, no others. There are some out there that offer cross hairs, and different reticles. I find the dot sufficient. Where the dot is is where the bullet goes (if you have done your part.)

I've had my Ultradot for several years without problems and I too wear glasses. I had a couple of Tascos before that and if I had the power turned up too high the dot became fuzzy. Try turning down the intensity and see if that helps.

Bill, that's what I meant...I wouldn't mind something extra..like maybe a thin red circle or something with the dot in the center. But, no big deal...

Whitworth and I shoot groups as tight or tighter with a red dot then we do with a scope. They have no handicap and for hunting are still the best.
I do wish there was a way to focus them for every eye but it is not to be. They are like open sights that you can't focus anymore.
Even open sights will shoot as good as a scope if your eyes are good.
Scopes have more problems, some will not give you a full picture at arms length. None will let you see through them or see the cross hairs in dim light conditions because the long eye relief scatters the exit pupil. Scopes, even 2X will show all of your shakes and cause you to miss because your first tendency is to pull the trigger as the cross hairs pass the target. You really need a rest for a scope.
Many pistol scopes have cross hairs or dots so thick that they cover as much of the target as a red dot does, some even more.
I have sworn off scopes for hunting. I even have more trouble hitting squirrels with a scoped .22 pistol then I do with open sights.
A scope does nothing good unless you have full light and the gun is locked down solid on a rest.
A red dot lets you use both eyes, pull a fast lead on a running deer when you will still be searching for the deer and cross hairs with a scope even with both eyes. They are just not like rifle scopes.

Then only extra I am waiting for UltraDot to offer is a place on the sight where I can put a valium or two to settle down the dot.

That said all the advantages BFR speaks of are what makes them so useful for hunting situations.
I also use one on my .223 in 3 gun matches and it works super there as well.

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Then only extra I am waiting for UltraDot to offer is a place on the sight where I can put a valium or two to settle down the dot.

If I'm really tired or don't have a rest for the gun, then I can imagine that dot may have trouble staying still. So I wonder how this would work for a margin for error...instead of a dot, a small red circle that would amount to a 4" target on a deer at 50 yds. Maybe a little easier to acquire the target that way, and you put it anywhere in there.

Btw, I do a good bit of squirrel handgunning and I think scopes just get in the way for that. Squirrels are too small a target and too unpredictable in movement for a scope. They are a hell of a difficult target off-hand with .22 handguns. I've made shots on them that even surprise me, but more often I go thru mag after mag without hitting one. I take along lots of already loaded mags because of that.

What I get more milage out of with the .22 than actually hitting the squirrel, is to chase one from behind a big tree trunk where they are hiding by clipping the trunk on either or both sides. That frequently confuses them and gets them out on a limb..that's usually where I switch to the shotgun.

With a squirrel on the other side of a tree, pick up a big branch, etc and throw it on the other side. The tree rat will run around to your side.

I have an UltraDot coming Tuesday to replace the scope on my Ruger Blackhawk.....will report

Scopes just for hunting from rest and only with extreme accurate guns like TC, Reminton XP-100, Freedom or Custom revolvers, For Me no more than 150 yards except varmints llike P. dog. Remember Bob Milek ? was a Magician hunting with Handguns.
But for Big game (wildboard to Bufalo) and regular revolvers, nothing more quick and accurate than red dots or holographics,
Now waiting two, (One Ultradot for my 500 S&W and a C-More for my S&W PC) thanks to my Dear smuggler uncle Bubba. G1

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Originally posted by Guillermo Amestoy:
Scopes just for hunting from rest and only with extreme accurate guns like TC, Reminton XP-100, Freedom or Custom revolvers, For Me no more than 150 yards except varmints llike P. dog. Remember Bob Milek ? was a Magician hunting with Handguns.
But for Big game (wildboard to Bufalo) and regular revolvers, nothing more quick and accurate than red dots or holographics,
Now waiting two, (One Ultradot for my 500 S&W and a C-More for my S&W PC) thanks to my Dear smuggler uncle Bubba. G1

It is with great regret that you do not have them yet. What we need to properly supply Argentina is one of the old German U-Boats so we can sneak quietly into the shore line and offload......achtung, ve vill unlote und den ve go to our haus in LA Cumbrecita un vate...ja ja ja...und ven ve sees dot el errante judio, ahhhhh, ve vill choot him.....tvice....

I use a cheap BSA red dot 4MOA on my 629 .44 for hunting whitetails in thick brush. It works great in that application. It is really great for fast and accurate shots inside of 50yards. Trying to shoot groups at 50+ yards the 4MOA dot just isn't precise enough.

My brother switched from a 2-6X32 scope on his super redhawk .44 to a Sightron red dot, his has 4 recticle choices, 2moa dot, 4moa dot, cross hair and circle dot. He can hold much better groups with the 2MOA dot at 50yds and beyond. But the cross hair and circle dot shoot to different POI.

eventually I will replace mine with a higher grade red dot with a 2 or 3MOA dot. or one with multiple dot sizes just not the various recticle configurations.

They are also awesome on 10/22's for rabbits chased by beagels!

The advantage over iron sights is they place everything in the same focal plane, irons you have 3 focal points rear sight, front sight, target.