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I am thinking about getting a 378 GNR barrel for my Encore. I already have a 375 JDJ Contender barrel. Is there enough difference in peformance to make a difference? | ||
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Absolutely. I am getting 2350fps for the 260gr Accubond...from a 12" barrel. Thats the equivilent of the 375 H&H inch for inch. Won't get that with the JDJ no way no how. Then there is the energy delivered factor. The GNR is the hands down winner. Plus you can buy the properly headstamped cases or loaded ammo of several different loadings. Plus Gary is a great guy and is always looking out for his customers. Hey, and everything he builds has a lifetime warranty. I can afford to buy any gun or barrel I want...but I choose Gary Reeder every time. | |||
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"Difference in performance", what do you mean by that? The 375 JDJ has taken very large game up to and includeing Elephant and has done so very effectively according to those that have used it for such. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Woodrow S., you had better check your reloading manual again. | |||
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I'll stick to big and slow.......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Spud...be a little more clear on your statement. What are you stating? These are chronographed loadings with zero pressure signs and are from Gary Reeders loading manual. I have also shot many of these loads from my custom Encore without incident...and have had many african animals fall to its mighty power. A 375JDJ shot from a "contender" does not come anywhere near a 378GNR shot from an "encore"...simply put, the contender just cannot handle the same amount of pressure that the encore can endure. Plus the GNR has more case capacity. There is no replacement for displacement! Yes, the 375JDJ killed many big animals...so did the .22 Hornet. | |||
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I fail to see the realivance in FPE. The 378 is "the hands down winner". How? In FPE? The 375 JDJ once killed 2 Elephant (that's correct 2) with one shot. Not sure how driving the same bullet faster realy matters given the 375 JDJ's record. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Well, lets see now. JDJ is no dummy...so there just has to be a reason he designed the 375 JDJ #2, based on an 06' size case to get a bit more velocity. HMMM...about the same as Garys 378GNR. Perhaps a bit jealous of being out gunned. Perhaps the original did not perform well enough...especially with the tougher super premium bullets now on the market. They don't work very well when the are not driven fast enough. On energy delivered...must be a reason most would choose a 458 Win mag over the 45/70....a 30-06 over a 300 Savage or the 454 Casull over a 45 colt for serious work. Nothing at all against JDJ...I have one of his custom shop 6.5JDJ's and its the most accurate handgun I own. Looks good too. | |||
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1- Yea it's called speed sells to the unknowing 2-Such as which ones don't work? Solids work exceptionaly well. 3- The old energy BS, Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy. A 22-250 with a 55 grain bullet at 3600 FPS has more energy 1583 FPE than a 360 grain 45 cal WLFN at 1400 FPS with 1567 FPE. aRE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE 22-250 WITH IT'S "55" grain bullet over the 45 cal to stop a charging grizzly? I know that I would not. 4- My 338 Lapua with a 300 grain bullet at 2791 FPS has 5188 FPE the 458 Win at 2100 FPS has 4896 FPE. Are you saying that the 338 Lapua is a better choice for Elephant? You must be it has more "energy" Do you alsoi believe in the tooth fairy?
Tha's a BS statement by the unknowing _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Have you seen the 45 Colt properly loade used on big heavy game side by side with the 454? Doesn't sound like it. I have seen the 45 Colt shoot cmpletely through (exit) 1000 pound Buffalo with the Buffalo Bore 325 LFN load and put them on the ground "right now". The 454 worked just as well, but no better. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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A one shot kill and complete penetration (bullet exited) with a WLFN at only 1100 FPS  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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That might not be the case, Woodrow. Seems that Mr. Reeder has lots of rounds that are meant to "fill the gaps" of commercially available rounds -- needed or perceived. Might even be just a case of one-upmanship. God only knows........ "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I recently acquired a .375 JDJ in a trade and it is an absolute tack driver. It puts 270 grain Hornady spitzers into one ragged hole. I have only been able to get about 2000 fps with the 270's so far but I'm still working my way up the powder charge scale. According to the data that I have seen, 2100 fps is about all I can expect out of the 14" magnaported barrel with 270 grain Hornady spire point bullets. I also have a .376 Steyr barrel which should give similar velocities as the .378 GNR. The barrel is 17" long (including brake); it has about 15" of rifling in it. With the same 270 grain Hornady bullets, I'm getting 2400 fps in this barrel. I suspect your results would be similar with the .378 GNR. | |||
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Very nice pistols  Years ago in one of the Handgun hunting Magazines there was an article about the 375 JDJ killing 2 Elephants with one shot. It seems that the bullet exited the bull and killed a cow that was behing the bull. The 375 at 2000 to 2100 FPS muzle velocity has proven itself to be a very effactive round _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Woodrow, The .375-06 came about after the Encores were available to handle higher pressure chamberings. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the .375 JDJ based on the .444 Marlin case. Just enough unwitting cranks who will pay for something "bigger and badder". If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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All of you need to re-read my posts on this matter. Let it sink in for a few moments now. Never did I state that JDJ's rounds were evil or unworthy. I merely answered the original question...yes there is a performance difference and yes...it does matter. To those that think 300 or so FPS does not matter ask yourself then why does the 300win mag, 7mm mag, 458 Lott, .357mag, 44mag and many other cartridges exist? Every one of them has a "smaller" brother. Are all of these millions of people dumb asswipes? I have shot and reloaded for more cartridges than most people on this forum, done plenty of hunting/game taking and happen to know what I am talking about. I guess you missed the mention of my 6.5JDJ. Don't even think of giving me the fast small caliber having more energy than the large slow moving slug bullshit...save it for your 10 year old. X-caliber...nice "handcannons"(JDJ term). I never stated there was anything wrong with the 375JDJ...other than the "fact" it underperforms the 378GNR. Its all choice here. Corvette or Corvair! ( I really do have Corvettes btw). | |||
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I'll bet you ducks to dollars my slow-ass, snail-crawlin', behemoth 525 grain .500 Linebaugh load at a whoppin' 1,100 fps will go deeper than any of these bottle-neck, would-be rifle cartridges. Anybody wanna take that bet?? Lighten up, Woodrow. No one here is out to get you....... I have a '68 Barracuda that runs in the bottom-tens, you wanna run one of those Corvettes??  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You posted this earlier in this thread
The question is and has been 1- what makes the 378 GNR "the hands down winner"? Also explain The statement
How is energy even realivent to predicting Wound Trauma Incapacitation?  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Please!! NO MORE MUZZLE ENERGY ARGUEMENTS!! Not for at least a few more months!!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Because you know, some guys have nothing better to do with there time.....  I have to agree with Woodrow S on some of the things he said. If velocity did not matter, why do people choose the 357 Mag over the 38 Special, the 44 Mag over the 44 Special, the 454 Casull over the 45 Colt and the list goes on.  It is not just about penetration here. If I blow a hole through game with a slower bullet and can do the same with a little faster bullet, what is the big deal.  Whitworth, you said this.
Now how many other guys out there are doing the same thing? I would say all of them are. Every new cartridge that hits the market fits between other cartridges, would you agree with that? So I do not see the reason to point out Mr Reeder alone on this. It is human nature for people to think what they have is the best, why else did we buy it?? I also agree, we do not need to have another pissing contest about MUZZLE ENERGY. I think we have covered that well in the past. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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I mentioned Reeder because we are discussing a Reeder cartridge here. That is the topic of this thread, so why else would I have mentioned him? You know good and well that he has reinvented the wheel in more than a few cases -- .41 GNR, .455 GNR, .510 GNR, and the list goes on. If that is what floats your boat, I say go for it. Whatever gets you through the night........ Once you have enough, more doesn't seem to matter much. I don't think the .460 Weatherby kills any better than a .458 Lott, the .340 Weatherby over the .338 win mag, and the list goes on. I don't think you are really gaining anything going from a .45 Colt to the Casull and I have played with both and taken game....... No pissing contest here. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I see what you mean Whitworth, and no pissing contest from me either. I feel the same way about the 500 JRH, after all it is just like Cor-bon's 500 Special. All of the gun makers have rounds they are marketing to make money. After all that is why they do it. JDJ has a bunch of "fill the gaps" round as well. As well as anyone doing a Ackley Improved. Where does it stop..... Only we can do that, by not buying them.. But you know we love our toys.  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Most of the cartridges we have today are due to someone wanting to build a better mousetrap, or just wanting something a bit different. Like you said Redhawk, these guys are scratching the proverbial itch when it comes to those of us wanting something custom. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Actually, the .500 Special is the same length as the .480 Ruger at 1.30-inches, whereas the JRH is a full-length 1.40 case and in preliminary testing the JRH was pushing the same bullets a full 200 fps faster. The heaviest CorBon loading is a 350 grain bullet BTW. The .500 JRH was designed for the FA platform from inception back in 1996 -- long before the .500 special came to be, and was also in production before the .500 special. By the way, the .500 special won't fit the Freedom platform.........nor will the .500 Linebaugh -- not even close. There you have it. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I thought the first 500 JRH did not come out until 2003? If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Whitworth, after looking into the 500 JRH, I found out some information, I thought you would be interested in it. Because I knew the 500 JRH was not out when I got my 500 Mag. I had spoke with Jack Huntington when he was doing his first 500 JRH, and I ask him if the round could be used in the 500 Mag. His reply was yes it could. The reason for my call to him actually was to have my BFR 500 Mag, re- chambered to the California 500, which was going to be longer, and more powerful than the 500 Mag. But that whole concept went to the way side due to brass availability, or the lack there of it. The first.500 diameter round was first developed in the 500 Mag.
http://findarticles.com/p/arti..._28/ai_n6204167/pg_2 If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Did I ever say anything about the .500 mag? Actually, because of the lack of available and suitable brass, he used the .500 S&W when it came out. The idea was a 1/2-round that could fit in a normally sized revover, the FA in particular. You will notice the similarity between the dimensions of the JRH and the .500 WE -- this is no coincidence. Jack had drawings and prototype cartridges built in '96, long before Smith came out with theirs. It was originally based on the .500 Linebaugh (.348 case), and took a lot of reworking. The first prototype revolver (an FA) came a little bit later. I see you are trying to dig up dirt to disprove what I am telling you. Again, the .500 JRH actually fits where the .500 Linebaugh and .500 Smith cannot tread......Therefore, it has a real niche to fill. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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No I was just giving you information you might want to know. I was not digging up anything. I actually spoke with Jack Huntington back in 2003 about the 500 JRH, not digging up anything. Like I said, I was interested in the 500 California Super, ask Jack about that round. I think I posted exactly what you just posted above your post. Sorry if you feel as if I was trying to dig up dirt to disprove any thing you said. I was just giving you facts. So lighten up Marko. Again sorry if we can't have a discussion without you feeling as if I am trying to prove you wrong. I will just quit replying to your posts. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Stop being so sensitive. You accused me ealier in this thread of knocking Reeder. It's all good. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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