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<RAO>
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I do a lot of hiking and camping in my country and feel good if armed. The problem is that my Bernardelli .22lr has 8" barrel and it is very showey and little heavy on my belt. What I want is accurate and small hideout handgun capable of taking grouse at 15 yards and insurance against poisonous snakes. I am thinking about darringer in .22lr/.410ga,but am not sure about my choice. Any suggestions are welcome.
 
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Depends on how you dress. You did say hideout. I can carry a 6" Colt Challenger (Huntsman is the same gun) in a Bianchi inside-the-waistband #3S Pistol Pocket for a Walther .380. It fits perfectly, including the thumb strap, and the barrel is inside my jeans. Perhaps a Woodsman would also fit. Probably anyone could carry a 4" Colt that way, although I don't know how many are around. Obviously, we're talking used guns here - of course, I don't know what's available in Pakistan.

 
Posts: 2272 | Location: PDR of Massachusetts | Registered: 23 January 2001Reply With Quote
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Here in America I do a lot of the same things that you do (ie. hiking, camping, etc...). And I like the Ruger MkII with a 5 1/2" heavy barrel. It is a little heavier than some .22's but the accuracy and the dependability far out weigh a few ounces, in my opinion. I personally would not feel ill-armed (as far as sm. game are concerned) with this handgun.
 
Posts: 67 | Location: Raleigh,NorthCarolina,USA | Registered: 25 December 2001Reply With Quote
<Gunner>
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I'm not sure what the right answer is, but any kind of derringer is probably the wrong answer. They are very difficult to shoot accurately beyond contact range; I would be very surprised if anyone could hit a grouse with one at 15 yards...

FWIW, if you want concealability and light weight, S&W makes several sub-compact 22LR revolvers that might fit the bill. If you favor flat sided guns, Beretta's tip-up barrel 22 is a great choice...

Sorry I can't be of more help; wehn I go afield I always have either my Kimber CDP Compact or my Taurus Tracker .41 with me...

Regards,

Kevin

 
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A s@w kit gun or one of new titaum ones should work just fine. A far as a auto go's getting a small 22 that is accurate and one that works I have been looking for that combo for 30 plus years I don't belive it is out their.
 
Posts: 19835 | Location: wis | Registered: 21 April 2001Reply With Quote
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I think you can't go wrong with a Ruger .22 standard auto. Look at this page and see what you think. Mike.

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/hgpages/kp4.html

This one only weighs 28oz. and if past experience serves to guide us, should be plenty accurate, as well as reliable.

[This message has been edited by Mike in SC (edited 02-18-2002).]

 
Posts: 140 | Location: Irmo, SC | Registered: 16 October 2001Reply With Quote
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To RAO:
I would recommend a .357 Mag. revolver with a 3 or 4 inch barrel. It will handle shot loads for snakes and normal projectiles for grouse. Due to the fact that you may not have time to reload for a snake, I would keep 2 shot loads in the cylinder and put regular shells in the rest of the chambers.
 
Posts: 567 | Location: Washington | Registered: 21 February 2002Reply With Quote
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<MontanaMarine>
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Mike in SC, you read my mind. A standard Ruger 22/45 is a nice lightweight, accurate, and very depandable pistol with a 10 shot magazine. MM
 
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<hkr>
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my choice is a tarus model 85 ultra lite. with 38 special bird shot loads it is a deadly snake gun (7 copperheads and 1 rattler last year) dont know about the grouse. also very good concieled carry gun.
 
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Just one note, If you are shooting for food, I would find something with adjustable sights. Probably no less than a 4" bbl.I don't think the derringer is going to do either job best. mvm
 
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RAO,

If you are wanting to stay with a 22lr, then there are several options which I would suggest, as they have worked well for me and may suit you also.

The Walther PP in a 22lr is extremely accurate and durable, and would serve you both long and well. I find that they are also not too picky abount ammo brand.

Dan wesson makes a 22lr revolver with switchable barrel lengths, and this would serve both for long range and target with the longer barrel, as well as a light pack pistol with a shorter barrel, and would also reliably fire shot shells. it also comes with adjustable sights, which to my way of thinking is a real plus in any application

Browning makes a Micro version of the Buckmark pistol, with 4" square bull barrel that comes with the excellent browning trigger and adjustable sights. These have been real tack drivers for me

Hope this helps...

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Posts: 830 | Location: Virginia, USA | Registered: 08 March 2002Reply With Quote
<duck223>
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I have an AMT with the bull barrel,it's actually a Ruger knockoff,
but it's a tack driver at 25yds.I bought it at an auction cheap,and was more than a little surprised at it's accuracy.I use it for squirrel hunting,makes real nice head shots.
 
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Here in Alaska, minimun caliber I carry is my Mag na Port custom Ruger Super Blackhawk. If there is no chance of you meeting up with something that could have you for lunch the 22lr is perfect, especially the Ruger.
 
Posts: 183 | Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado | Registered: 21 December 2000Reply With Quote
<Elliot Viker>
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My vote is a S&W modle 19 with 4 inch barrel. The shot loads would be heavy and enough for birds and snakes up close. 38 wad cutters would take all sorts of small game, and the in-frequent use of heavy 357's would handle most anything else that might be needed.
 
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<ChuckD>
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Where are all you cowboys? Ruger single six in whatever configuration and barrel length fits you! Need more power? Ruger single action whatever-floats-your-boat.
 
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Ruger makes a SP101 in 32 H&R mag. it has a 3" barrel and adjustable sights. I have a Single Six in 32 Mag. and it's my "trail" gun.
 
Posts: 1230 | Location: Saugerties, New York | Registered: 12 March 2002Reply With Quote
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Everyone seems to eat grouse when they are "surviving". Must be the thing to say.:P
 
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<X-Ring>
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OK I'm going with the Ruger22/45 also.

I don't know much about your part of the world RAO. Are there grouse in Pakistan?

X-Ring clueless in Montana

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<jeremy w>
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I would have to recommend a S&W K22 revolver. The older ones have a crisp single action that let me hit grouse and rabbits in the head at 15 yards. They would also fuction much better than an auto with pattern loads for snake.
 
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<Scorpio [+] 4 pigs>
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Hi there Rao,

Where do you live in Pakistan?? I love your country, and Pakistani's (like all Muslims) are so friendly and family oriented.

When I travelled through Pakistan on my way to Iran 5-6 years ago I drove through a small town south of Peshawar called 'Darra'. Have you been there or heard of it?

In Darra, they sell any and every type of weapon imaginable. Some of the shop owners took us to a canyon just behind the village where we fired old Russian shoulder rocket launchers into the hillside - GREAT FUN! (That cost us US$30 per shot).

Next up we fired a few mags from the Kalishnakov fully auto machine guns which was great fun as well (US$10 per mag).

They told us that they needed 24 hours to duplicate any gun known (as long as they had a weapon to go off or plans). They sold thousands of hand guns and rifles (but were hesitant selling guns to any westerners in the open). We didn't look at buying any as we had armed escorts on our trip to Quetta, and its not worth the risk getting caught in Pakistan with a gun if you are a westerner.

If you are looking for guns on the cheap, Darra is the place. While we were there we tried to make our way up the Kyhber Pass in Afghanistan, however that was when the Taliban were in power and we were turned back.

I used to go wondering the streets of Peshawar in traditional Pakistani 'daggy' clothes and purposely dusted my face to look like a local. It was a great way of blending into the local scene without being looked at as a 'westerner'.

He,he,he...I'll never forget the day in the Peshawar markets when I was in my 'disguise' and went up to three Pakistani policemen who at first ignored me thinking I was a poor local resident. When I started talking in my Aussie accent they nearly all went into cardiac arrest!! It was great!!

Good luck finding a gun thats suitable for your needs.

I'm thinking of running guided hunting safaris to Pakistan to hunt for old man Osama Bin Laden, aka: The Shiek, aka The Commander. Maybe you could be my local contact?? (he,he,he...).

Bye for now,

Ciao, Matt
Queensland, Australia

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<Gold Cup>
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I'd consider a s.s. Taurus Model 94.
9 rounds of .22 in a very reliable package.
Current bbl. lengths are 2" and 4",but, some older ones came with a 3" bbl. and adjustable sights. I've put thousands of rounds through
mine without any troubles. Lifetime warranty too.

GC

 
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