Now Hear This… The original Super Vel Cartridge Company, founded by Lee Jurras and J.D. Jones in 1963, set the ammunition world on its ear with the invention of the jacketed hollow point bullet. Super Vel became the favorite "police ammunition" for its stopping power with the hollow point expanding the bullet for greater terminal effect as well as preventing "pass through" shots (over-penetration). The original Super Vel shut its doors in 1975 and even though another entity (H&H Cartridge Co.) continued the market Super Vel for three or four years, the company was defunct by 1980. Now, Super Vel is back! Lee Jurras gave his blessing to me to restart the company and J.D. Jones joined me as a consultant to make sure I got things right! Today Super Vel is loading even better "high performance" handgun ammunition thanks to better powders and improved JHP designs. We are online at www.supervelammunition.com We are bringing back the Hush Puppy (subsonic 9mm that Super Vel loaded for the Navy SEALs) as well as a really potent .38 Special +P load specifically tailored for S&W J-frames. It's called "Super Snub" and launches a 90 gr. JHP at over 1,300 fps from a J-frame. We've also got two 9mm +P loads (90 gr. and 115 gr.) and a .45 ACP +P 185 gr. JHP. Check it out also on Instagram #supervel Thank you.

How well do these light weight bullets penetrate? Do they pass the FBI tests for duty ammo?

FBI test for barrier? Do you have a 230 gr HP in +P? How about low flash for 3" 1911 and snubbie revolver? I might know where there is a 2 1/4" 1917 S&W. The moderate loading for a 1917 could double as a 45 hush puppy load.

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Originally posted by e cameron n hopkins:
Now Hear This… The original Super Vel Cartridge Company, founded by Lee Jurras and J.D. Jones in 1963, set the ammunition world on its ear with the invention of the jacketed hollow point bullet. Super Vel became the favorite "police ammunition" for its stopping power with the hollow point expanding the bullet for greater terminal effect as well as preventing "pass through" shots (over-penetration). The original Super Vel shut its doors in 1975 and even though another entity (H&H Cartridge Co.) continued the market Super Vel for three or four years, the company was defunct by 1980. Now, Super Vel is back! Lee Jurras gave his blessing to me to restart the company and J.D. Jones joined me as a consultant to make sure I got things right! Today Super Vel is loading even better "high performance" handgun ammunition thanks to better powders and improved JHP designs. We are online at www.supervelammunition.com We are bringing back the Hush Puppy (subsonic 9mm that Super Vel loaded for the Navy SEALs) as well as a really potent .38 Special +P load specifically tailored for S&W J-frames. It's called "Super Snub" and launches a 90 gr. JHP at over 1,300 fps from a J-frame. We've also got two 9mm +P loads (90 gr. and 115 gr.) and a .45 ACP +P 185 gr. JHP. Check it out also on Instagram #supervel Thank you.

Glad to hear. Best of luck with the business!
Any plans for bigger bore hard cast flat point types?

I wish you the best on bringing back a proud name

I believe I still have a partial box of SuperVel ammo around here somewhere. Finding it is going to be the trick.

partial box? I have several full boxes, but did not know they were that old. I still keep the nightstand SW 19 loaded with the 357's.

Thank you all for your encouraging words and comments. Regarding gel testing and the FBI protocol, we tested "Super Snub" in 10% ballistic gelatin with two layers of denim covering the block. This is NOT a proper part of the FBI protocol, other than the formulation of the gel. (The FBI protocol calls for "light" and "heavy" clothing, which are specifically defined. There are eight separate gel tests in the FBI protocol with five shots each for a total of 40 blocks of gel and 40 rounds. We can't shoot that much gel here in the summer heat, but we're going to be doing the full test this Fall.) Back to the one test we did… our Super Snub 90 gr. JHP from a Model 36 1 7/8" barrel penetrated between 10 and 19 inches (low to high) expanding to .62 caliber and retaining 99.66% weight (which I think was a lucky fluke, probably not going to hold that average over the full test). The velocity was 1,340 fps… from a J-frame!

Regarding other calibers, yes absolutely, but it's just a question of when. I would very much like to load .44 AMP for the new Auto Mag started by Patrick Henry, but I'm not sure when he's going to be up and running. As you guys know, Lee Jurras was best friends with Harry Sanford, so the Super Vel-Auto Mag connection is very strong. Next up will have to be either .40 S&W or .380 ACP, strictly due to market demand. It costs roughly $80,000 to tool up for a new caliber, and I've put my 401(k), all my savings, literally every dollar I've got into getting Super Vel this far— three calibers and five loads. I have to generate sales in these calibers to make enough to tool up for the next one. The two biggest lessons so far are that it takes far more time and far more money to start an ammunition company than I had figured.

Endeavor to perservere !



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Cameron, thanks for your replies and good luck with the company. I will try some of your ammo.

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partial box? I have several full boxes, but did not know they were that old. I still keep the nightstand SW 19 loaded with the 357's.

You're just old. I kept several boxes of Black Talon ammo for grins and giggles.

MS,

so did I...

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:
partial box? I have several full boxes, but did not know they were that old. I still keep the nightstand SW 19 loaded with the 357's.

You're just old. I kept several boxes of Black Talon ammo for grins and giggles.

Got 2 boxes of Black Talon in each caliber, 9mm, 44 mag and 45 acp.

I'm ready to buy some in 38 + P for my J frame.

Lots of myths here .The Black Talon was a stupid name !!! It has been replaced by an upgraded version with better name !
Super Vel started the ball rolling so we have a much better choice quality bullets.
Super Vel was hampered by not making their own cases and they were sold poor quality stuff.

I hope that the new maker is successful but they can't live just on the Super Vel name .

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The Black Talon was a stupid name !!!

Only because the gun haters said so.

The shooter I know didn't really care what it was named as long as it worked.

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:
partial box? I have several full boxes, but did not know they were that old. I still keep the nightstand SW 19 loaded with the 357's.

You're just old. I kept several boxes of Black Talon ammo for grins and giggles.

I just kept it because I thought it is good ammo....

Super Vel was some pretty hot stuff coming out of my Model 19.Lots of muzzle flash.

I have substantial supply of the Border Patrol plus P plus, its the best Ive used. How will your 9mm compare to this fine load?

Founded 1963?

JD Jones? Never heard mention of him with Lee Juras or heard anything about Super Vel until maybe the late 60s and probably more like the early 70s. More like `73 than `63 when the ammo got written up in the gun magazines.

Just ordered some of your sub-sonic 9mm.

Wish you the very best on getting Super Vel back to it's Hay day.

I will buy some .357(for rifle and revolvers) and 9 mm when it is available.

The Super Vel .357 Magnum 110 grain was amazing in my 1892 .357 rifle with 20 inch Douglas barrel. One ragged hole 5 shot groups at 50 yards- using iron sights.

Charles, Super Vel 110-grain .357 was what I fired the first time in my first Smith -- a Model 28 Highway Patrolman I bought the day I turned 21 in 1974. Lively stuff!

Im sure they have updated the old Supervel because as good as the old Super Vel was in its day, it does not compare to todays hot pistol ammo..

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Im sure they have updated the old Supervel because as good as the old Super Vel was in its day, it does not compare to todays hot pistol ammo..

The bullets also are much better today

Bullets are always improving .Much depends on defining what you want .I usually use premiums today.
Powders also have changed with additions of things like flash suppressors.

As I recollect Jurras and Nonte were all about lighter and faster. Nowadays, for hunting, it seems to be heavier, even though it may be slower. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Peter:
As I recollect Jurras and Nonte were all about lighter and faster. Nowadays, for hunting, it seems to be heavier, even though it may be slower. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade.
Peter.

A lot of people make the mistake of using bullets made for defense against two legged varmints.

For hunting and defense against larger 4 legged varmints.


There is so much information out their on bullet performance.

A you tube search well get you gel tests on almost any bullet made now days.

No one bullet is perfect for every use a lot are happy or unhappy mediums.

Not saying one would not work when but into use it was not design for but don't be surprised if it fails.

Good morning everyone, and please forgive my absence from the Forum but I've been fairly busy, as you'll learn in a moment. Regarding a post from aklester questioning if JD Jones was involved with Lee Jurras at the beginning of Super Vel, yes, this is accurate. My website has photos of them together in Lee's first company, Jurras Munitions, which preceded Super Vel Cartridge Co. JD was not an owner: Lee Jurras and Ernie Wallein were the two owners. JD was a close friend of Lee's and did all the load development for Super Vel which was, indeed, founded in 1963 (date of the incorporation and first FFL). The entire history is right there on my website www.supervelammunition.com under the tab "Our Story." Regarding recent developments, we continue to garner highly positive reviews in various gun magazines, the latest being the Sept 2017 issue of GUNS & AAMO with a column by Pat Sweeney comparing three brands of "hyper velocity" handgun ammo (we won). Very big news yesterday: I received Super Vel's first purchase order from Dillon Precision Products for three of our best loads, the .38 Spl. +P "Super Snub" (tailor made for S&W J-frames); our 90 gr. 9mm +P and our 185 gr. .45 ACP +P. Super Vel will be the only factory ammo to be offered by Dillon— a company that specializes in reloading equipment! I consider that pretty darn significant! More news-- we will be releasing our .380 ACP load next month. Contrary to what some makers misleadingly claim, the .380 ACP does NOT have a +P specification from SAAMI. Anyone loading the .380 ACP beyond its recommended average pressure of 21,500 psi is, in my opinion, reckless. There are way too many old (i.e., poor metallurgy) blow-back guns out there. Because we will adhere to safe SAAMI pressure specs, our .380 ACP load cannot deliver reliable stopping power with a conventional jacketed hollowpoint for the simple reason that you're lucky to get 1,000 fps from the standard 90 gr. JHP used in the .380 ACP. Consequently, we will load an 80 gr. solid copper hollow point from which we safely obtained 1,100 fps. I won't have gel testing done until the production components arrive here next week, but based on a similar load from CorBon using the same 80 gr. solid copper hollowpoint, I expect good results. Finally, and saving the best to last, I filed a patent two weeks ago for the Hush Puppy® "Slide Lock Device" which is a device to lock the slide closed on a semiautomatic pistol to eliminate the sound of the slide reciprocating on the frame for near-silent operation. The original Mk 22 Mod 0 (better known as the Hush Puppy) was a highly modified S&W M-39 which took Browning Hi-Power magazines and came with a wipe-style suppressor. The slide release was modified into a teeter-totter affair with an extension; to activate, the shooter holds down the rear of the slide release which lifts the front of it, which in turn engages a notch in the slide to hold the action shut. The slide must be manually cycled to chamber a fresh round. My patent-pending SLD is fitted to the newest S&W, the M&P 2.0, and it's located where a thumb safety would go. Press up to engage, down to disengage, but you don't have to hold it with your support hand as was necessary on the original Hush Puppy. Our Hush Puppy® M&Ps will be available this Fall and will come with Dueck Defense suppressor height sights, a threaded barrel and the SLD. SureFire is also offering a special version of their Ryder 9 suppressor in a Hush Puppy configuration (still a baffle-style, not a wipe-style) in a limited edition set sold with the pistol. So… lots of news from Super Vel this morning! If I can figure out how to post pictures, I can upload pics of the M&P with the SLD. Thanks so much for your encouragement and interest. Cameron

I don't doubt that, the only claim to fame the .380 has is compact, maybe more likely to have the small gun with you, and its better than a switch blade, with only a little less killing power, and has better range capability!

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If I can figure out how to post pictures

It is a lot easer learn to put paragraphs in then posting pictures.

I would work on that first.