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Hello,

I am planning to convert my Ruger Super Blackhawk pistol to .500 Linebaugh. Is there anything I should be aware of? I am new to very big bore pistols.

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Posts: 146 | Location: CA. USA | Registered: 08 February 2002Reply With Quote
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I too am interested in this subject. I have a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley that I am considering converting from ..45 colt to a .475 or .500.

I have heard that Linebaugh and Bowen conversions are the best. Pricing can be very steep I understand.

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Posts: 487 | Location: Central Texas | Registered: 07 December 2001Reply With Quote
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Gary Reeder, Dave Clements, Jim Stroh, and Phillips & Rodgers all do these conversions, and generally get good reviews. Something else to consider; I'm pretty sure some of these guys will only do the conversion on NIB actions, and some will only do it on the Bisley grip frame.

I would suggest you post your question at either the sixgunner.com discussion board, or the "Campfire" at sixguns.com Lots of guys hanging out there who know these gunsmiths personally, and have LOTS of first-hand experience with their guns.

 
Posts: 269 | Location: Missouri, USA | Registered: 11 March 2001Reply With Quote
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I have a Linebaugh 500 and a 475 that should be here any day. Normal wait for John to do a gun is about 2 years. He will only do it on a new bisley. They are a work of art. Well worth the wait! I know that he recomends bowen also so you might get one quicker that way. Plan on haveing about $1800 and your new gun and thats with no options. I sure love mine and shoot it at least twice a week.

 
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I'd also add John Linebaugh, Hamilton Bowen and Jack Huntington to the list of smiths that offer these conversions.

It is highly recomended doing the conversion on the bisley grip frame, as the recoil is very dificult to handle on the std blackhawk. I've fired a 500 blackhawk, as well as several bisleys, and a super redhawk, and the blackhawk grip is not one to have for the 500.

You might want to contact Jack Huntington, he is in California, and is a great guy to talk to. My buddy just had Jack build him another 500 Linebaugh, his prices are fair, and his work is outstanding.

 
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Tongo,

I would agree with all the posts so far and would say that Bowen and Linebaugh are tops for sure.

As stated these revolvers command a high price, both in money and time. As you stated, you are new to very big bore revolvers and this is about the top of the hill to start at.

I guess my question is what is your experience with big bore revolvers, which have you fired and to what extent. This is in no way an attempt to change your mind or belittle your experience. If a shooters has shot nothing heavier then a factory loaded 44 mag then these monsters can often be to large of a jump in power.

I have know very experienced handgunners try to step up to these rounds only to find they could not handle the recoil mentally and wisely went back down to the 454 class rounds and under. I have also witnessed new shooters shot these guns trying to fool everyone into thinking they had them mastered, but couldn't hit a basketball at 10 yards with them.

Of course, I have also known a few shooters with very little big-bore experience shoot these rounds very successful.

I'm just saying, for the cost in money and the long wait, be sure that you really want to get into this type of revolver.

Of the two, the 475 is the most versitile by far. Not only will top loads in the 475 out penetrate the 500, it can also be loaded with the great new 480 Ruger round for hunting lighter game or for practice.

As with the others, go with the Bisley frame, neither one of these rounds play well in the blackhawk. The Redhawk and SuperRedhawk also work great if you like the feel of a double actions recoil in the web of your hand.

Good Shooting!!!

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Thanks for the advice. I currently own and shoot a Freedom Arms .454.
 
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If you have mastered your 454 I dont think youll have any trouble with the linebaughs. The recoil may be a tad more but the muzzle blast with most loads is less!. There not the uncontrolable beasts that people say they are. Youre not going to want to take one out the first time and shoot 100 full power loads but if you work up slowly you will find that they are actually enjoyable to shoot!
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Thanks for the advice. I currently own and shoot a Freedom Arms .454.

 
Posts: 1404 | Location: munising MI USA | Registered: 29 March 2002Reply With Quote
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Tongo,
Are you sure the .475 Linebaugh in a Freedom Arms revolver won't be enough gun?

If you are, why not contact Bob Baker, President of FA, and ask about a special order in .500 Linebaugh?

You'll come out way ahead in time, money, quality, and resale value.

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GeorgeS,

I think it will be impossible for FA to produce any .500 due to rim diameter of brass .348 Win use to form .500 Linebaugh.

The cylinder FA isn't big enough to do that.


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It is NOT possible to build a .500 on the FA frame at this time. It would require retooling.

I would strongly recommend the 475 over the 500. I've owned both and the 475 has readily available components. 348 brass is getting harder to find and is never cheap. You can get 475 bullets and brass out of Midway, etc. The 475 also has the edge in penetration tests that I have witnessed. The originator (John Linebaugh) will also recommend the 475 over the 500 in most cases.

Having said that, my favorite was the 500...very impressive barrel and cartridge! It has the most WOW factor but is just too expensive to feed for me.

 
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If your gonna have great big gun you don't really need... might as well go with the biggest.

I have a Dave Clements Built 500 and he does great work.

I would suggest against Phillips and Rogers. I had a 50AE conversion done by them. It was fine... ok. No great work done, no action blocking. For the cost it was a good deal. Their prices have recently gone WAY up. Not worth it now.

 
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Hello,

I am planning to convert my Ruger Super Blackhawk pistol to .500 Linebaugh. Is there anything I should be aware of?


Go with a Bisley grip or you'll quickly regret doing otherwise. You need to go hang out over on Sixgunner.com.

Russ (Owner of a .500 Linebaugh)

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As much as I like the big 500 Linebaugh, I would recommend the 475 Linebaugh instead. Due to the big diameter of the 500, the Ruger action must be pushed to the limit to chamber this big cartridge. The cylinder of the 500 is getting very thin everywhere and it just does not look as tough as the 475. Also, there seems to be two different versions of the 500 floating out there so be careful loading your 500 hot. Good luck. Ming
 
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As been said, cost is quite a bit, but I figured most customs are expensive, and different animals, and only reason I see going into custom guns, like wildcatting! To some its worth it, and to me, the fun factor is there. You could be happy with a .44 mag, and push it to its limits. But like I said, the fun factor is not there. I just love "BIG BORE", so why not a 500? I have had 7 500 Linebaughs built, and still prefer it even though I've had many 454's and a .475 Linebaugh. You could get a 50AE, but who will you be fooling? If you want a big bore, and can afford it, or willing to work for one, go for it! Even Linebaugh says he loves the 500 still, because of its gentle nature, as far as low pressure, yet big bullet. Oh yes you can load it till it hurts, but you can also load it down to where anyone can shoot it and enjoy it. Lots of folks think you have to "ONLY" shoot macho head cracking loads, but even Linebaugh admits you don't need it, and don't need high velocity in a handgun. If you really want a big bore, hold a 454, .475 and 500 case next to each other? Then ask yourself which is the big bore? Only "you" can decide!

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HHI 812,
You could get a 50AE, but who will you be fooling? If you want a big bore, and can afford it, or willing to work for one, go for it!
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I'm very curious; could you explain more whay you said about .50AE.

In a FA revolver in .50 AE with a 7 1/2" barrel a 385 gr bullet at 1550 fps.

I agree with you regarding .454, .475 and .500. I'll add that I have ordered to John Linebaugh a .500 Long.

Thanks in advance for your explanations.

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"I" am more into bullet weight and caliber, rathere than high velocity, although I am one of the guilty ones who have pushed my 454 7 1/2" FA at 2000+fps with the FA 300 GC. And also have pushed my 4 3/4" FA 454, with 405 cast at +1400fps(pre LBT days). Yes the 50AE can reach 1550fps with the 385 BRP, but I prefer the 400+ grain bullets, and don't trust taper crimps in a big bore. As said, if he wants a big bore, why not go the biggest without having to pay the tax of course. If FA had a 500, I'd be the first to get one. The weakness of the 50AE(in my opinion) is it not having the heavy sectional density bullets. That is in the process of being changed now, but that is all I will say for now?
 
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HHI 812,

I love people from Alaska and mainly from Anchorage. This is not a critic. I have seen in other forums people from Anchorage who push bullets in .454 Casull and bullets in others Big Bore calibers off limits of common people. But I love it if safety conditions are applied.

With my Taurus RB (6 1/2") and FA 10" I can reach 2000 fps but with a 250 gr bullet. Never try to reach 2000 fps with a 300 fr bullet.

I know that in 70s Dick Casull used Triplex powder to reach fantastic velocity. Do you use a new kind of triplex or a normal powder like H110? Can you give me more detail on your load to reach 2000 fps with a 300 gr bullet.

In one year, I'll be able to tell you what about my .500 Long made by John Linebaugh.

Regarding the .50 AE round, I have choosen this caliber over the .475 Linebaugh because I already own a Desert eagle in the same caliber (same brass, same reloading dies,...)

I agree with you I prefer also the cartridge with a rim for big bore.

Thanks in advance for you reply.


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here is a man that knows what he is talking about! I have done alot of shooting with 475s 500s 454s 45 and 44s and the last gun in the world I would part with is my .500 theres just something magical to me about the .500 and it will do anything from plinking to hurting!
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As been said, cost is quite a bit, but I figured most customs are expensive, and different animals, and only reason I see going into custom guns, like wildcatting! To some its worth it, and to me, the fun factor is there. You could be happy with a .44 mag, and push it to its limits. But like I said, the fun factor is not there. I just love "BIG BORE", so why not a 500? I have had 7 500 Linebaughs built, and still prefer it even though I've had many 454's and a .475 Linebaugh. You could get a 50AE, but who will you be fooling? If you want a big bore, and can afford it, or willing to work for one, go for it! Even Linebaugh says he loves the 500 still, because of its gentle nature, as far as low pressure, yet big bullet. Oh yes you can load it till it hurts, but you can also load it down to where anyone can shoot it and enjoy it. Lots of folks think you have to "ONLY" shoot macho head cracking loads, but even Linebaugh admits you don't need it, and don't need high velocity in a handgun. If you really want a big bore, hold a 454, .475 and 500 case next to each other? Then ask yourself which is the big bore? Only "you" can decide!


 
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As to "two types of 500" going around, not sure what he means for sure, though I'm fairly certain most people are overloading their 500's compaired to Linebaughs original loads.
Also there are two types (size) cylinders out there. Reeder and P&R both use a smaller diameter cylinder than Linebaugh, Bowen, Clements and others.
 
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There is a 1.4" version and a 1.6" version...the longer is called the 500 Maximum and can only be built on the 357 Maximum SA frame by Ruger.
 
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I own a 7.5 inch Clements built .500 Linebaugh. Originally it started out with a super blackhawk grip frame. Full loads were more than punishing, especially on your wrists. Had it changed to a Bisely grip frame and WOW what a difference in felt recoil. When I load it down to say 1000 fps it is no worse than a .44 mag. At 1200 fps (410 grain bullets)recoil increases but is still managable. At 1350 and + it hurts. I love it though and wouldn't trade mine. But know this, dies are custom shop (215.00), brass is available from Buffalo Bore (110.00 per 100 pcs.) so its not cheap to get into. For this reason maybe the .475 is a better choice, you have to decide that. IMHO forget Gary Reeder. Just went through a bad situation where Mr. Reeder sold me a gun that he knew didn't work, I am in the process of getting all my money back, but it does not excuse this type of behavior.
 
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Spoke to an aquaintence at Hornady, and he said he could make me a 500 Linebaugh die set for $105! Not a bad deal. Have had several 500 Linebaugh brands, several CH4D, several RCBS steel dies, and a couple RCBS carbide dies, so the Hornady deal is pretty good! Its rare that custom chamberings are cheap. Like the .475 Linebaugh and 454 Casull, once a certain number of dies are sold, they go standard die status. My first 454 carbide die set was $130. I recall calling for the .475 dies once, and they quoted me $150. Two weeks later, it dropped to $33! Now if only someone would come out with a commercial 500 Linebaugh gun?
 
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Dennis.. what's the story? Is this a one shot deal, or are they thinking of making a run? I hate Hornady dies, but m CH4D dies are really starting to piss me off. Can't get a good crimp with them. I DO HAVE the smaller size die for the Buffalo Bore brass, and still my bullets jump (well.. creep). I don't like the crimp die on the CH4D dies, it's not a tapper crimp, yet it's not quite a roll crimp. More like a "sharp tapper"?
 
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I have ch .500 dies and the only way I can get a good crimp is to completely remove the seating stem after seating all the bullets and then crimping in a seperate operation.
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Dennis.. what's the story? Is this a one shot deal, or are they thinking of making a run? I hate Hornady dies, but m CH4D dies are really starting to piss me off. Can't get a good crimp with them. I DO HAVE the smaller size die for the Buffalo Bore brass, and still my bullets jump (well.. creep). I don't like the crimp die on the CH4D dies, it's not a tapper crimp, yet it's not quite a roll crimp. More like a "sharp tapper"?

 
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I use my RCBS seating die to seat and CH4D seating die to crimp. I also do seating and crimping seperately. My standard 500 Linebaugh load is with 435 grain LBT GC and 30 grains of H4227 and I have not had any crimp jumping problem with this load. Good luck. Ming
 
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My experience with CH4D dies in .500 was the same as Lloyd's...remove the stem and crimp seperately. I had no creep with 28 gr. H110 and 410's.
 
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Cas-Hornady told me it would be sort of like a custom deal. When I told him about the problems with BBA and .348 brass, he said if I sent him a fired case of each type, then he would be able to make a die that works for both. I use mostly BBA brass. I also seat and crimp on separate stages, since I load on my old 450 Dillon. The RCBS for seating and CH4D crimping. I did have a Hornady custom seating die, that I used for seating, but landed up giving it the fella who bought my .50 American Eagle Encore, since he had no way of loading 700 AP .50 BMG bullets. Hornady fixed me up with that seater, at a standard price. I have a Hornady seating die, for "all" the cartridges I reload. Just love that floating seater, which supports the bullet as soon as I let go of the bullet. Just sent one of my CH4D .500 seating die, because it didn't allow my cast bullets to go through the throat? Seems like the diameter of the throat was smaller than .512", and it would make a ring on the ogive of my bullet, because it wouldn't slip through, so couldn't really set my overal length. Luckily I have other dies as back up, until they fix it. Didn't have that problem with my Hornady seater, and used my RCBS seater as a crimping die back then.
 
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