.41 or .41 GNR in a rifle .358Win

14 inch 309JDJ Contender

7mm08 or 308 in a savage super stricker or encore flip a coin their both ''STELLER'' regards jjmp

Encore in .375 JDJ in a single shot
.41 Magnum in a revolver.

My T/C chambered in 45-70 Gov't with my 405 gr, 1500 fps recipe.

Strange. Why not recognize a difference between handguns and hand rifles? The record books are a prime example. No difference between a critter taken with a true handgun, or one taken with a Thompson Contender, or one of those bolt action jobs, scoped, tripoded, ranges out to rifle class.
Kind of like what happened with the special hunts for "primitive" weapons. Now alongside truly blackpowder rifles we have the modern equivalent of a cartridge rifle only loaded from the front.
I always thought the purpose of true handgun hunting, or true blackpowder hunting, was similar to that of the archer. Your skills in stalking in close and making a kill.
To me there is no difference between using a "modern" black powder rifle and a smokeless powder rifle or one of these single shot "handguns" versus a rifle. And for someone to claim some special accomplishment in taking a trophy animal with one of these so called handguns or primitive weapons is

Contender in 7-30 or .375 Win! Geez I guess if it shoots like a rifle it must be one!??

billinthewild, you hunt your way and I will hunt mine. It must be neat to live everybody elses life and yours too. I been hunting with the Thompson-Center HANDGUNS for about thirty years and don't remember having to ask for your permission, still don't. Just my 2 cents worth.

absolutely, my 375-06JDJ encore...but some may call it excessive

.41 Rem Mag. Been hankerin' for a .454 Casull also.

in my tc encore 15" hand gun......30-06 with 130ssp@2700 fps.

in my bfr.... 500 smith and wesson with 700 grain slugs.

The 500 S&W is my favorite handgun for deer or maybe my 45 Long colt New Model could do it to.

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
in my tc encore 15" hand gun......30-06 with 130ssp@2700 fps.

in my bfr.... 500 smith and wesson with 700 grain slugs.

I have a scoped 15" encore in 06 with a http://www.probed2000.com muzzle brake loaded some 150gr spitzers with 55gr of H 4831 not bad shooting at all.My regular 165gr 06 rifle loads using 59gr of imr 4831 were a bit much.

My SSK 338 JDJ#2 Barrel #2!

I guess what amazed me about this post was the number of people using "minimum calibers" for hunting deer. Sorry guys, but the .357, .44. mag, and 45 just don't carry enough smoke to do the job cleanly outside about 30 yards. If you use the old "standard" of 1000 foot pounds of energy minimum, then the .357 and .45 probably won't be over 5 feet from the muzzle.

The .454 and .480 are close to the same class, but I dearly love both the .460 and the .500. The BFR in .45-70 a good choice and here are many of the Contender and XP 100 chamber good rounds.

George, are you hunting kevlar wrapped deer? Have you not read the many posts here of deer quite completely done in by these minimum calibers? I don't want to get in a long winded flame war with you, I respect your right to believe what you care to. I simply find it incomprehensible that anyone could seriously posit the opinion you just did. Having shot deer with 44 mag and a few Contender rifle calibers, I can truly say there isn't a damn bit of difference between dead and dead. And all my deer were a lot further than five feet from the muzzle. I find myself gravitating to the opposite position of yours, I am more in tune with moderate loads in the 44 and 45 with good placement and not having to lug around revolvers that by all rights should be on a caisson. No question though that all these super thumpers do sell more new guns.

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Sorry guys, but the .357, .44. mag, and 45 just don't carry enough smoke to do the job cleanly outside about 30 yards. If you use the old "standard" of 1000 foot pounds of energy minimum, then the .357 and .45 probably won't be over 5 feet from the muzzle.

George I really have to disagree on your thought process. One thing you haven't taken into consideration is that revolver calibers shooting heavy bullets are not the same as smaller caliber rifle bullets traveling 2700+ fps. Rifle bullets need to be driven fast so they trasfer shock to there target and therefore expand as they passthru the intended target.

On the other side a 45LC shooting a 300 grain Pb LBT bullet really doesn't need to expand...it is already .452 inches in diameter. But, this slow moving 300 grain bullet does retain alot of momentum down range and will penetrate thru a deer like a hot knife thru butter. Complete passthru's on deer are the norm. Two different principles working here and it's not always measured in minimum of 1000 ft-lbs.

Take a look at this link:
http://www.handloads.com/misc/linebaugh.penetration.tests.asp

(tongue in cheek here, because these rounds have worked fine when used in a decent manner)

Nah, George is probably right. So, if any of you guys have one of those old, useless S&W M21's, M26's, or 3 1/2" Registered Magnums or 38/44's, just ship them to my FFL and I'll take them off your hands. No charge either.

Umm, add any original Winchester M92s in 44-40 to that list too. All those southeastern deer really weren't killed for all those years with these either. I'll force myself to find room in the safe for these too.

EDITED: You might as well include any boolit molds for these; I'll take care of those too...

What is wrong with me? Of course George is right, and I will be happy to gather up all the Colt and Taurus revolvers that have no real purpose in the field. I'm not greedy, those two categories will be adequate. And I promise to kill all my deer from now on at point blank range. Or closer! Taste bore cleaner Bambi!

41 Mag to 500 Mag out to 100 yards is no problem. I don't consider the 357 Mag a 100 yard handgun round for deer. Sure it has worked, but I just would not use one past 50 yards.

Because we are talking handgun rounds, not rifle rounds.

I hunt from a tree stand on the edge of a corn/soybean field. Mostly, the deer walk right under me, but on occasion they appear on the opposite treeline (about 125 yds). For this reason, my tool of choice is a Freedom Arms M83 in .454 Casull topped with a Leupold VX-III 2.5-8x32 in Lovell mounts. My hunting handload consists of a 240gr Hornady XTP/Mag over enough H4227 to move it along at 1700 fps. It's on the high side of moderate for this cartridge, but is exceedingly accurate, POI is well under minute-of-whitetail to 125 yds, and I can eat the meat right up to the bullet hole.

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
I'd hate to have to choose between the 44 magnum and 45 Colt, but I guess wider is better...

Now when it comes to my women, I'd have to say for me, narrower is preferable!