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OK which load would you pick for wild pigs. The shot will be from 25 yards to maybe 45 yards. Fired from a Government Model 1911. Choices are: Remington 230gr Golden Sabre Federal 230gr Hydra Shok Buffalo Bore 230gr FN FMJ +P Hornady 200gr XTP +P Corbon 185gr HP +P UZI [loaded by IMI in Israel] 185gr High Velocity FMJ SWC [this is +P as well]. Should I use a HP for the first shot and follow up with a FMJ??? [Assuming I find a good combo that hits the same place]. What say you all??? Also I have some "ANNIHILATOR-X Explosive Tip Ammunition, made by Power Plus Enterprises, Inc that I have had for several years. I plan to chest and head shoot any pig I kill whether with the 1911 or a rifle just to see what happens. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | ||
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My only experience being the information I've soaked up from others here (and I myself am a big proponent of an ounce of experience being worth a pound of theoretical knowledge), I'd guess most of the suggestions would be for a heavy-for-caliber cast lead if one were available. I'd tend to think the HP's listed above (self defense loads intended for two legged media) would expand before penetrating to the vitals, especially on a boar. I remember the size/toughness of that gristle plate vividly from that big boar I shot last november. | |||
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Double Tap loads a nice 255 grain flat-nosed hardcast that I believe they sell separately, as does Grizzly Ammo (Cast Performance bullet)and Buffalo Bore. I would be inclined to go that route on the velocity challenged .45 ACP over an expanding bullet, but that's just me. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The next time I go pig hunting I think Ill take my 45auto it well be loaded with a 250 gr hard cast at 875fps. I have no dought that at the ranges I'll well be used . The pigs well die. | |||
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I have no doubt! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I shoot a 255 hardcast RNFP from my 45 Auto over 5.5 of Unique for 750 fps. So it's really a original 45 Colt or 45 Schofeld load in a semi-auto. My 1911 carries 8 and the XDM carries 13. Now, Just think of how much stuff has tipped over with those two original guns/loads It works for me. | |||
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NE: Why don't you get a Clark conversion unit for your 1911 in 460 Rowland? You will get performance similar to 240 grain 44 mag loads in the Government Model. Factory loads are available from Georgia Arms and Buffalo Bore if you do not handload or brass is available from Starline if you do. | |||
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Personally, I'd just go with the flat point hardcast and not look back. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I don't think it matters on an 80lb pig. It might start to matter on a 200lb critter. And if you are chasing piggies that weight and up I'd question what you're expecting out of the .45acp. I think it would be cool to drive a 185gr XTP to around 1200fps and see what it does. Well, at least have an OK day  | |||
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So would I _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I was going to recommend the FMJ flat nose. However, after looking at these velocity results: "45 ACP+P 45ACP+P ammo is externally/dimensionally identical to 45 ACP ammo and can be fired in any 45 acp firearm that is in normal operating condition. However, the greater pressures and power of the +P ammo will give you greater slide velocity and if you are going to shoot more than a box or two of +P ammo, you should consider replacing your recoil spring with a Wolf Spring that gives roughly 4 to 6 lbs more spring weight than factory stock springs. A shock buffer might also be a good addition although it is not too necessary if you use the stronger spring. The below velocities were fired from my personal Colt Gold Cup 1911 (5 inch) 1. 45185-----------1180 fps (185gr. Jhp) 2. 45200-----------1078 fps (200gr. Jhp) 3. 45230------------979 fps (230gr. Jhp) 4. 45230FMJ------981 fps (230gr. Fmj-FLAT NOSE) 5. 45255------------960 fps (255gr. HARD CAST-FLAT NOSE) " I'd rather have the 255 grain bullet, and 21 fps less velocity. Experts that live here: Do you think it would be worth changing springs to get these velocities vs. the stock .45 ACP or Plus P?: "45SUPER 45 Super is externally/dimensionally identical to 45 acp or 45 acp+P and is designed to be used in 45 acp semi auto pistols that have been fitted with stronger than normal recoil springs and a shock buffer, plus a couple other modifications. While you can shoot 45 SUPER out of some stock 45 acp+P pistols such as the Glock 21, HK USP or the full sized all steel 1911, you will batter your pistol if you do not have them modified to handle the extra pressure and slide velocity of the 45 Super. To learn about the modifications your 45 acp pistol needs to reliably and safely fire 45 SUPER, contact Garey Hindman at 936-402-3484. Garey is the foremost authority on 45 Super modifications/conversions for your 45 acp and Garey performs such conversions for a living. The below velocities were fired from my Colt Gold Cup Govt. Model (5 inch) that was converted by Garey. 1. Item # 45S185-----------1330 fps (185gr. Jhp) 2. Item # 45S200-----------1235 fps (200gr. Jhp) 3. Item # 45S230-----------1131 fps (230gr. Jhp) 4. Item # 45S230FMJ----1133 fps (230gr. FMJ-FLAT NOSE) 5. Item # 45S255-----------1090 fps (HARD CAST-FLAT NOSE) " A 255 grain LFN at 1090 seems to be AWFUL close to some folks favorite .45 Colt hunting loads as well as the original .45 Colt load used in combat. | |||
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I shoot the 255 grain hardcast at 960 FPS and the same bullet in the 45 Super for about 1090 FPS they both are a notch ahead of any 230 grain load and would serve very well on pigs _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Any idea why the 230 FMJFN is behind a LFN that weighs only 25 grains more? | |||
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Because it doesn't penetrate nearly as deep. This I know from using both  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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nose profile is the hindering factor on those fmj flatpoint, they don't nearly penetrate straight as the lbt style hardcasts. the same hardcast whther it was 255 gr or 230 as well would still penetrate better as well. | |||
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+1.......... _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Thank you for the experience and information. What would you consider the 230FMJFN adequate for game wise? | |||
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