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Hey Whitworth have you tried the 355 grain on anything since there a cast bullet? I believe them to be BTB not sure as to the maker,but I do know who has them for sale. Believe it or not but this seller has them listed for 24 something a box. ''People should say what they mean and mean what they say. Life is too short to be lead down the wrong path.'' | |||
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.475 caliber? I don't recall shooting anything lighter than 400 grains out of the .475, but I may be wrong. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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This is true..Otto Candies is my good friend and hunting partner.We have taken many African and Alaskan game together...He has taken many elephant and buff with both his 475 and 500 Linebaughs.He has used monos and steel capped cast,custom made.He always told me the "sweet spot" velocity is 1200 and that has always worked for him.He is 71 now and goes every year to Africa,since he was a young dude.I have also taken Brown Bear with him in Alaska with his 500.He also helped Jack Carter perfect and test his bullets back in the 80s for Trophy Bonded Bullet Company. "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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I oopsed i meant for the 480 loads. They are listed at 1465fps IIRC. ''People should say what they mean and mean what they say. Life is too short to be lead down the wrong path.'' | |||
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No, I don't think I ever tried a bullet that light -- the lightest I have ever used were the 325 grain Gold Dots in .480. Had one perform brilliantly and one fail miserably. I just don't like jacketed bullets.......but I digress! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Whitworth, something interesting I spotted Barnes Busters. No pistola bullets yet, they're in the works, but they're smacking hogs with their 45/70's. | |||
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Looks promising! Actually the site says they are producing them for for .44s and .500s, so they already do have them for handguns. Thanks for the link! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I didn't see them for pistols just yet when I looked for them on the online store. I found the 400gr .458 though. I think i'll stick with cast bullets as they are cheaper for me to make. Good idea though for those people who want cast like performance but don't want to shoot cast bullets. Since it has lead I wouldn't be able to use these in the Condor zone in CA for a hog hunt. Pitty guess i'll have to stick with the rifle. | |||
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All shooters and hunters should leave CA en mass and force chisels into the fault on the way out!  | |||
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Hey don't knock it. It's a great place, with great weather -- just need to drive all of the left-wingers out of there.....  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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As long as you drive them further west into the big pond. We don't want them here ruining our state as we already have to many of them as it is. | |||
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Awesome! I've used 1 gallon ziplocks filled with water put side by side in a channeled wood "water box" to do something similar. I'm wondering if there shouldn't be some wet newspaper between bags/jugs to add resistance for a more accurate body density similation? Thoughts? m | |||
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And by the way, this is exactly why I want to go with a 250gr WFN Beartooth solid for my Marlin 1894SS in 44 Mag. M | |||
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Thanks Moonshot. We have performed lots of wet newsprint penetration test and the results have been impressive out of the flat-nosed hardcast bullets -- to say the very least! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I shot my 8 3/8" .500 S&W with 500 grain Hornady soft-points and 440 grain Cast Performance bullets into some dry phone books today. I am unimpressed with both bullets! The soft-points penetrated about 3.5" and the cast bullets penetrated about 5". The cast bullets literally disintegrated! The soft points didn't fare much better but did retain more mass... | |||
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You need to wet the newsprint (or phone books for that matter) to get an idea what they will do. Seriously -- soak 'em for 24 hours and go back and run your test again. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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X-caliber, Dry phone books do more damage to a bullet than wet phone books do. Also there is a calculation for converting the penetration from phone books to what would be expected in ballistic gel. you would take the penetration in the phone books and times it by 2.01. So it would be almost 5X2.01= 10.05. Not very impressive either way. Were these factory loaded or hand loads? | |||
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Understood guys...just checking to see what they would do. For reference, according to my hunting buddy he shot his Remington .300 Ultra Mag into dry phone books with 180 grain barnes x's and only penetrated about 6".
These were max handloads from Hodgdon's site. | |||
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For future testing if you can I would suggest soaking the phone books over night and then put them in a cardboard box or use twine to keep them together tightly. That way you could get a better idea of actual penetration. Also if you would like the conversion factor for the wet news print it would be 1.68 in place of the 2.01 I gave you earlier. I shot my 280AI into wet news print and the 150gr bullet penetrated a corrected 34". That was at 100yds. | |||
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Actually, the books were soaked overnight and so were a lot of the papers but I could not get them all finished by the next day. I needed more tubs. It is amazing how much water that stuff soaks up. | |||
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bfrshooter -- he was telling this to x-caliber...... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I hear you BFR shooter. I use a large cooler and fill it over flowing with water. When I come out there is either no water left or very little in the bottom. I always check to see if I left the drain plug open. | |||
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. . . This point of boolit disintegration isn,t ok to talk about on this forum mr X Caliber , so you better watch it ... They will bite your head off .... . I had a 360 gr LFN .452 bullet @ 1400 plus fps blow to small bits last fall on a mooses skull ...... I went to Belt Mt Punch bullets for my 454 and the problem was solved ..... John Linebaugh told me even heat treated solids would shatter @ 1200 fps sometimes and definatly can when the velocity goes up ., which is why I don,t use cast bullets in rifles ...... Now I will sit back and await the assault  .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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. But on the flip side , if I end up with a 475 linebaugh , or another 480 Ruger, I will try very hard to get a mold from bfr shooter for these 475 boolits as I consider 14 water jugs awesome results from a revolver . and the fact the penatration was dead straight is amazing ....!!!!!!I really like the look of that boolit also .. . . Great job you guys !!!!! thanks for posting the pics and vid Marko ! .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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gumboot, Ballisticast makes a very good mold for the .475/.480 Ruger. I have a four cavity that thorws two 350 and two 400 grain LFNs. Another very good bullet comes the Lee 400 grain mold. A good bullet for a $20 mold. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I like the Lee 400gr bullet. For $20 it's hard to beat. I would like to see the meplate a little larger perhaps but other than that it's pretty nice. | |||
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And what was the hardness of that bullet? Did you cast it? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Do you not own a chronograph? You keep giving these velocities in generalized or approximate terms. Just wondering out loud. As far as the assault goes, I've had a Freedom Arms bullet separate on a Gemsbok; anything is possible when talking about bullets. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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That would be a fun test! Stack up a bunch of moose skulls to shoot at!  | |||
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