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If I had had a good heavy hard cast in my little Blackhawk back in 91 I would have got a nice 6 1/2' black bear with it on P.o.W. . But all I had was the factory 210 gr jacketed soft nose. . They were hot , I'll say that iirc we choreographed them at 1420 fps. From the 4 5/8" barrel. I figured they would be OK for a frontal shot . But the raking shot I had , I wasn't confident in their ability to penetrate deep enough. That was a fairly unpleasant gun to shoot. Every bit as unpleasant as any revolver I've shot. Thing was loud even with good ear plugs in. Later I found the 45 Colt with a 335 gr bullet @ 1150 fps from the same length barrel was no more unpleasant. Tho it has more push back . It's no harder to shoot to the same degree of accuracy. And a 255 gr @ 900 fps was totally mild in comparison. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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When using any weapon, projectile combination one has to know their limitations. Then hunt and take shots accordingly. | |||
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In my experience the Remington 210 grain jacketed flat points were very good penetrators. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Those pictures show to be an exit wound photograph and inasmuch as the bullets are backwards it tells me they had run their course of penetration as that is very common..I see that bullet as a successful bullet, even though one had some nose damage, that probably btw give it a bit more cross section and a bit more expansion,and encountered a bit more resistence, and probably slightly better killing effect I suspect, well technically anyway... I also observed 110% with Remington jacketed bullets in the .44 and 41 magnums on a couple of deer and two or three elk, by other shooters.and two deer with the .41 that I shot. On elk I would opt for a heavy Keith simi wadcutter in a 41 or 44 and definatly in a 45 LC. 4-3/4" in my SA Army. I shoot them at about 900 FPS in that gun..Amazing how well they kill at that slow velocity, mostly by penetration and the bullet configuration that has that pronounced shoulder. Not spectacular, but positive would be my best description. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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What bullets were backwards? You can clearly see the gas check on the bullet on the left, the one on the right lost its gas check, but they were both facing in the right direction. The third bullet exited to parts unknown. The photo is of the inside hide on the offside of the animal. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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That's what I thot. 405 grainers out of a 454. I didn't think the 454 would handle that much bullet weight. Obviously it didn't inhibit or limit penetration. Nice shooting also. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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A 405 in a 454 is too much of a good thing in my opinion. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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KERWAMMO Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Can't figure out why parts of my posts get left out.  Any way. The 480 pushes a 410 gr cast @ 1200 fps . And it's not bad at all. I prefer shooting that load to the 325 gr @ 1350 + . Tho I magine the 454 puts out alot more pressure to do it. So that part may not be fun. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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It is, however, in the name of science, I had to try it. It obviously works, but does it work better than the 365 grain Garrett .45 Colt load with the same nose profile? Probably not would be my guess. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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