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So I've finally run out of my favorite bullet for my 44 mag, the Nosler 250 grain Partition. I'm looking for a new favorite. I've looked at the A-frame revolver bullets but I got a little sticker shock. While on Swift's site I found A-Frames for muzzle loading that appear to be the same bullet minus the cannelure and an added sabot for about 1/3 the cost. Have any of you used the muzzle loading A-Frame in your revolvers? I'm interested in 250 - 300 grain varieties.

I will most likely try the Hornaday XTP as they shoot great out of my muzzle loader. Fired into test media they penetrate and expand well too.

My intended uses will be mostly limited to White tails. I will likely try my luck at Black Bear soon as well.

Thanks to all,

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For whitetails, and bear for that matter, you can use the 240 grain Remington SJHP or a cast SWC.



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Get a lee 315gr wfn mold get some wheel weights cast some shoot them over H110 and you well have a new very cheap favorite.
 
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Hard cast 320's or 315's are the way to go, my opinion handgun need penetration more so than expansion on large animals, the more you penetrate the more damage you do


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Ditto MS Hitman. Swifts are very good, but not needed for whitetails. Also had good luck with Sierra 240 gr. JHCs.


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I suppose both Hitmen are right. Old habits can be hard to break. I've had such luck with the Partitions I have a case of Horse Blinders when it comes to a new favorite which made the Swift's so attractive to me. I believe I'll give the Sierras, Hornady's, and maybe some cast of some variety a shot.

I dont know why, but casting my own never really interested me, not that it wouldn't be good idea, it just never appealed to me.

Any other bullets you guys have empirical experience with? I'd like to hear about them all.

Thanks to all of you, I appreciate you spending your time with me.


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I believe that is a typo on the Swift web site. They sell the muzzle loader bullet in packs of 10 not 50.
have you considered the speer 270gr.?
 
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The factory load of the Speer 'Deep Curl' Was loaded too hot for my old M29 so I never tried it .The two that I've used and they were vey successful were the Swift A-frame and the Barnes all copper.
 
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For whitetails and similar sized game, I am also a big fan of the Sierra 240 JHC in .44 Magnum handguns.
 
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The 300 gr serria 429 bullets are tough. I resized them to .416 and shoot them out of my 416 taylor at 2650fps. No trouble driving them through deer.

They don't work to bad on yotes and porkupines kills them dead.
 
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I have shot a bunch of deer over the years with a 44 Mag, rifle and revolver.

I have used several different 240gr jacketed bullets, SP and HP, and my hard cast 240SWC's. All worked great, and in tuth I can not say if one was better than the other.

They all worked great.

I have also killed a pretty big pig with the rifle and a 225gr Hornady FTX LeverEvolution factory load, and the pig was DRT.

The impact was most impressive.

I have only recovered one 44 Mag bullet out of a deer, [so penetratioin has never been an issue], and that was a 240Speer SP shot into a whitetail buck at 85 yards with a 6 1/2" Mod 29, over 24gr of H-110.

The bullet expanded perfectly.


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I believe that is a typo on the Swift web site. They sell the muzzle loader bullet in packs of 10 not 50.
have you considered the speer 270gr.?


Actually the 270 speer has caught my attention. I believe I will try them, when they come available.

Thanks Kaboom!


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The 300 gr serria 429 bullets are tough. I resized them to .416 and shoot them out of my 416 taylor at 2650fps. No trouble driving them through deer.

They don't work to bad on yotes and porkupines kills them dead.


I'm shooting an Anaconda and have never shot heavies such as the 300 Sierra. I can imagine that they might be a handful with a bunch of H110. But I'm gonna try em anyway Big Grin


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Another vote for the 270 Speer Deep Curl. I load over 18.5 gr Accurate 4100 in my 6" Model 629 Classic for 1285 fps. Super accurate with easy recoil.
 
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You don't need weight to kill whitetails. I always say (but never practice) SPEED kills. Light, fast .44 bullets do fantastic on deer. The best results I've ever had were 180 gr. Sierra JHCs, but I'm in the same rut as most everyone on this site. If it's .44, then it has to be 240 gr. or more. That's just not true for deer.


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Originally posted by WV Hitman:
You don't need weight to kill whitetails. I always say (but never practice) SPEED kills. Light, fast .44 bullets do fantastic on deer. The best results I've ever had were 180 gr. Sierra JHCs, but I'm in the same rut as most everyone on this site. If it's .44, then it has to be 240 gr. or more. That's just not true for deer.


Lucky for me I got a steal on a whole pile of those 180's and I've been shooting them for practice this whole time (still have alot left). They shoot great over 28 grains of H110


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