Gents,

I own land in NY state that I hunt on, but am a resident of PA. I would like to deer hunt with my S&W 610 10mm revolver there, but my NYS regulations state that I would need to get a pistol permit of some type to do that. As a nonresident, is this feasable? My land is in Oswego County east of I81 in the northern zone if that makes a difference...

Permits are issued by the county so it depends on the judge. NY permits for non residents are very rare ,I personally knew only one.Ask , all they can say is no.PA is very nice as they gave me a PA permit without any problem.

So I guess no one can come to NYS and deer hunt with a handgun? It's not like I want a carry permit, and it is my own land...

That is correct. The liberal politicians have made handgun ownership very difficult. I live in a fairly easy county as far as getting a permit and they say it now takes up to a year to get the permit. I think you are out lf luck.

I for one would like to see a federal handgun permit passed that over-rides all these bickering state politics.

Some states will openly honor an out of state permit, some frown on it very heavily, and some get downright upset regardless of what permits you have.

I know in Virginia the actual law on the books states (or at the least very recently stated unless it's been changed), that you could carry a handgun openly in your vehicle so long as it was not concealed, without a permit. E.G if it's under the seat and you have no CCW permit, you're breaking the law, but if you have it lying in your lap or open in the seat next to you (not in a holster mind you, that's often counts as concealed too), when you get pulled over, it's ok - at least according to law, but in that instance, the law won't stop the state trooper from giving you one hell of a hard time about it, and probably a lot of extra "undue" process.

I have an Alabama CCW permit, and I wouldn't think twice about carrying in NW Florida Okaloosa and Santa Rosa counties, but only because I've personally checked with the sheriff's dept's there to find out their stance.

I'd be concerned about a lot of extra headache associated with it down around Orlando or South Florida though, even though county police in NW Florida have personally given me the green light, and it probably wouldn't be worth the trouble to me.

Same with Georgia -- I'd be concerned, but hopeful that Georgia would at least honor an Alabama CCW permit should it ever come to that.

Generally though, I don't hunt out of state. I just carry, and I don't make a big deal about it or advertise it if I do, so hopefully unless something goes really wrong in a major way, whether or not I'm armed will never be a topic of conversation between myself and anyone I meet when on the road.

Other places like New York, Connecticut or Massachusetts - I'd be highly skeptical whether or not they would honor an out of state CCW license, and I'd just as soon not bother risking it.

What I'd recommend, is to find out if New York would honor an out-of-state pistol license from PA and go from there.

Some states honor any other state's license without a problem, and even more states will at least honor licenses from their surrounding states, and/or a specific list of states they have a working agreement with. If New York and PA have an honor agreement, you're probably already set.

It's worth looking into at the least, and only takes a phone call to see if they'd honor your PA pistol license. If you don't have a PA license, it would definately be easier to get one as a PA resident than an out of state NY license - at least it is down in these parts.

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Originally posted by Ben589:
If New York and PA have an honor agreement, you're probably already set.

No,they dont! The most recent info I have is that the following 6 states will recognize my PA CCW permit,

Florida
Wyoming
Georgia
Michigan
Kentucky
North Carolina

As far as New York is concerned, it is almost impossible for a non resident to get a CCW, I live 15 miles from the border and would have been hunting NY for years if I could do it with my handgun.
Now, if you are a NY resident and want to come here and hunt with your handgun, No Problem! just stop in at the Sherrif or County Treasurer's office with your PA hunting Liscence and ser.# and desc.of your handgun/s and they will issue you a "Sportsmans Permit" and you're off to enjoy Handgun Hunting in PA.

Mark

That's why I want to see a federal CCW permit passed for the general public. This state to state stuff is just too frustrating to keep up with from year to year, since it can change based on whoever's in charge and their whims at the time.

I have never seen ANY good argument where a person that one state says is safe and OK for a CCW is unsafe when they cross a state line. A standardized federal license would solve every bit of that. A federal CCW would end all the confusion and problems. And let's face it - CCW carriers are not out there committing crimes.

I agree with you Ben, it sure would make my life easier living so close to the NY border...dont know if they are still there but they used to have signs posted upon entering the state that the penalty for possesion of an unliscenced hangun was mandatory one year in jail.........cant begin to tell you how many times I was on my over there for something and the remembered I had my handgun with me and had to turn around and take it home....finally just pretty much gave up on carrying it anymore.

Mark

Yeah, it's just sad really. The only ones that suffer are the law-abiding citizens that either just want some peace of mind, and don't have any intention of breaking a law or using the gun in any form of crime.

These are a lot of the same states though, that say if your home is broken into while you're there, you're to immediately try to abandon your house and all your possessions to the robber/assailant and escape if possible, then wait for the police to show up. What message does that send to burglers?

Down here in South Alabama we have a different take on things, and look at our per-capita crime rates for B&E and other confrontational crimes when there's someone home.

It just boggles my mind how some states can actually think that restricting or limiting gun ownership among law-abiding, CCW permit seeking citizens has much, if impact on their crime rates.

I don't remember all the metrics off the top of my head, but Congress has already spent somewhere around 3 billion dollars in research (conducted by a supposedly impartial 3rd party research firm everyone could agree upon) since the 1980s on gun related crimes and gun-laws, and the congressional research project firm found virtually ZERO correlation whatsoever, yet the hard-core anti-gun congress members kept saying that couldn't be right, and we need more research, so they throw more money at the project for more in-depth analysis.

25 years of research now can't find any significant correlation between increased gun laws and gun crimes. Go figure -- but some states think that just because I'm safe, responsible, and have proven decision-making abilities to warrant me carrying a gun in Alabama that if I drive to New York or Mass. I suddenly take a leave of my senses and become unsafe ??

Sorry to rant, but it's just a major pet peeve of mine that to me doesn't have a whit of common sense associated with it.

Write your congressmen. I'd say let's get an appeal and a petition going to push for a federal CCW. It's been on congress' back burners for a while, and I'd like to see some action on it.

Whatever it takes, but "we the people" have to push them to let them know it's something we want.

Granted, part of the issue is going to be perception. How do folks in New York, Philly or Southern California "view" folks in South Alabama? Decent, common folk that go to work for a living everyday, just like they do, or uneducated backwoods rednecks?

It's imaging and stereotypes, and no doubt those against a Federal CCW are going to play on that image of "Do you want BillyBob the uneducated redneck coming to visit and bringing a gun into YOUR city?"

Maybe if we can say "Do you want BillyBob the uneducated redneck, who's passed several stringent federal background and safety checks and is federally licensed as a safe decision-maker, coming to visit and bringing a gun into YOUR city?" things wouldn't be so tough.

New York's "Sullivan Law" was created by a politician.Sullivan , a New York City politician was able to get it passed for the whole state not just NYC.However he did not create it for crime reduction but for political purposes .Since many people carried guns at that time he could then put many opponents in jail !!!

Short answer, no.

Well that stinks. Even goddamn NJ will let you have a permit to purchase but not carry concealed. So NY's only permit is ownership and carry? That's odd...

Johnny, I doubt you will find it possible to get a NYS pistol permit, as owning land is not enough for the anti-goverment of the empire state. I had a NYS carry concealed permit for over 30 years and changed county of residence and was forced to completely reapply to maitain my supposedly lifetime permit. Wife had to do the same... cost to us $500. Still have the permits though. I have a Dr friend who was a NY resident, life moved him to NJ, now no more permit, though we hunt on his estate he has to use a rifle! Bottom line is to contact the Sherriff of Oswego county he makes the preliminary decision in the form of a recomendation to the judge. Good luck, and please do try. I also believe that there is a law in NY which requires them to give you an answer to your application within six months, not necessarily issue the permit, but tell you if you are getting it or not. By the way, the law is such that you must own a handgun to get a permit! Not possess, but own.

Thanks guys. I'll put in an application, and like someone said here, all they can say is no...