Check out the Info on the .45 super complete with links. Ace Hindman and Dean Grennell were the fathers of the .45 Super. I have a copy of the Book or the .45 by Dean Grennel and there is an entire chapter dedicated to the .45 Super. If I remember correctly Ace Custom .45's also offers .45 Super Loaded Ammo (can't remember for sure but I think it is loaded by a company called Texas Ammo or something like that).

Years ago I changed out the recoil spring and installed a stronger firing pin spring (a kit I purchased from Ace Hindman) in a S&W Model 645. The S&W uses a Ramped Barrel and as such offers full cartridge case support when a round is in the chamber. I used Military TZZ Brass to quite easily attain 1200 FPS with 185gr. Nosler Jacketed Hollow Points with quite good accuracy. I never did go to the full blown .45 Super Conversion Kit though, as I felt I really didn't need it for my uses.

Another option is the .460 Roland. Info can be obtained at this link or just type in .460 Roland and hit search.

SD Handgunner

I was under the impresion that the super's main thing was higher pressure but in a fully suported barrel. The higher pressure would also require a stiffer spring, but I thought that was about it. Shooting a supper load in a standard 45acp barrel that was not fully suported would likely result in a ruptured case, and prolonged dhooting would cause frame dammage. It is just like a real hot 45 acp correct?

Whelen35, the way Dean Grennell and Ace Hindman explained it to me was that was the very reason for the stronger brass for when the cartridge was used in a unsupported chamber. Their first attempts evolver around shortened .45 Win Mag Brass, but later tests showed this brass was not really enough stronger in the web area than .45 ACP Brass so they switched to shortened .451 Detonics Brass which is indeed heavier. Another option is to use cut down .308 Win. brass and ream the neck area where the bullet is seated.



In my S&W using the TZZ Brass I never had a problem, but then I didn't push it to the limit either, and besides the S&W uses a Ramped Barrel with a fully supported chamber area. Dean Grennel and Ace Hindman both highly recommended the use of the 185gr. Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point and their first choice in powder was Hodgdon's HS-6 as they felt this combination provided the best consistancy in terms of performance and consistant pressure.



I shot quite a few of these loads (except I used Blue Dot Powder as it is what I had on hand at the time) with the 185gr. Nosler Jaketed Hollow Point without any problems. I also liked the performance of the Nosler Bullet on the few Whitetails I shot with it.



If I were going after something larger than a Whitetail I'd opt for a different bullet, probably a Speer 225gr. JHP or a .230gr. Hornady XTP. It has been my experience that if you push the +P .45 / .45 Super (or whatever you want to call them) to energy levels equal to or slightly better then a .357 Mag, then the performance is better than what can be achieved with a .357 Magnum.



SD Handgunner