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On all my other revolvers (mainly Smiths), I get the cylinder "drag" shiny ring after using the revolver. I have not seen this yet on my FA. Is there something different in the design, or is this nature's way of telling me that I need to use it more? Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | ||
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I think you need to use it more, Peter......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Funny..  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Yeah! I know! But, it is a handful. However, it does feel good when I stop! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I think you need to use it more also. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Yep more use ought to do it  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Boy you guys are a tough lot! No on says "well I've shot 50,000 rounds through mine and still don't see any "ring around the cylinder". OK, another question: "For the 475 Linebaugh do you use large pistol magnum primers or just the LP? I have been using LP but bfrshooter says to use LPM. I am certainly not questioning his wisdom, but, I can't find the damn things! No one has them. Am I losing consistency? I did notice a rather large spread and SD when I chrono'd them. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I use Federal LPM #155 in my 475 Linebaugh. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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what do your groups look like? If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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My groups look pretty good!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I'd think you should use the magnum primers as well, but another common source of spread variations is bullet pull (crimp). xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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The reason there is no cylinder ring is due to the exquisite workmanship of the FAs. The timing lock doesn't protrude from the bottom of the frame until the timing notch is precisely located where it should be. In other words, timing is exactly perfect on the revolver, and the lock drops back into the frame when the hammer comes back. Ergo, no drag mark from sloppy timing, like the other revolvers. I love my Smiths, but the FA is an example of phenomenal workmanship, BFR's opinion notwithstanding! Sorry, BFR, I just had to.  | |||
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Yep, LP magnum primers. I tested standard primers and accuracy is not there. I also tested LR primers with a loss of accuracy. Have to work loads carefully with rifle primers, pressure spikes! I don't have a Freedom here anymore but if I remember, the cylinder lock does not rise until in the cut before it falls into the lock recess. You will not get a ring around the cylinder. But yes, Peter, you need to shoot it more! | |||
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Ms I posted my best group some time ago. However, the load was probably over max and was rather stiff! In addition, I was not crimping fully (I have the 4 die set and I was not taking the bullet up to the "ring" which I am now doing as I was getting bullet creep). I have dropped the load and am now shooting all groups at 50 yards. They are not especially good. Bottom line is that I have changed too many things and have to go back to the drawing board, hence my question about primers. BTW, thanks for the answers about the FA, I suspected something like that! Nice to have no more "ring around the collar" Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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What's the load you are using, Peter, if you don't mind me asking? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Depends on what kind of brass you use.I use Starline and the pockets were made for Large Rifle Primers. | |||
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My Ruger .44 Super Black Hawk seems to be like that too. But I'm glad to hear it about the FA as I have been considering one in a Model 97 .41. The Ruger operates differently than a Colt. You open the loading gate to allow the cylinder to turn for loading instead of going to half cock. You also have the transfer bar. How is the FA set up? | |||
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I was using 28 grains of H110 with a 400 grain WFNGC. Accuracy was very good. I just tried to drop down to 26 grains of 296. Accuracy was so-so at 50 yards. Hence my questions about the primer. I am using Starline brass. I do have plenty of LR primers, however I am reluctant to use them as bfr said that LR primers cause pressure spikes. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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My load is 26.5 grains of 296 under a 420 grain bullet and I also use LP Magnum primers. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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John Linebaugh has always said to use the large pistol primers. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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One thing I found with the Freedom .475 was that it loves a 350 gr boolit. The 400 has to be pushed a little bit and shot right near or at max. | |||
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The 475 Linebaugh has always used and was designed around Large Pistol Primers, not large rifle primers. LRP and LPP are of course the same size the difference is the toughness/hardness of the cup _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Call up Starline and argue with them.My BFR would not fire using LP Primers .They told me their cases were designed to shoot LR Primers and I would have missfires using LP Primers which I did.Since using LR Primers I have not had a Missfire.Check your Hornady manual.Large Pistol primers are for 480 Ruger brass.Pg.924.Large Rifle primers for 475 Linebaugh Brass page 926 Hornady 7th edition. | |||
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By the way Large pistol primers are not the same depth as large rifle primers.They are the same diameter.Mike them!!!! | |||
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I use nothing but Starline brass and have never experieced a missfire using LP Magnum primers. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I've owned a 475 since 88 the first year that they were avilable and Large Pistol primers is all that I ever use and that is what the designer uses and recommends. No offence to you are Starline _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Look last thing I want to do is get in a peeing match with anyone here as I know you are all good guys.Call Starline up and ask for a tech.If I am wrong about the primers I will buy the Beer. OB | |||
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Who is the person at Starline that told you to use Large Rifle primers. In the beginning the 475 Linebaugh was made by shortening 45-70 rifle cases and Large Pistol primers were uesed and recommended. The Large rifle primers has a longer flame duration and a slightly higher BTU's and this is counter productive for top accuracy and velocities will not be consistent as with large pistol primers. With the rifle primers they are harder to ignite because of the thicker cups and this can and does lead to misfires in many revolvers. Large rifle primers are not a good idea _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Here is how the cartridge was designed. he .475 is made by trimming .45-70 brass to 1.400" and reloading with RCBS Custom .475 dies. Calling upon my local gunsmith, I had him trim Winchester Western .45-70 brass to the proper length, ran the trimmed brass through the RCBS full-length sizer die and expander die in sequence, seated bullets over large doses of selected powders ignited by CCI #350 primers and I was in business. The brass used had been loaded numerous times in various .45-70's and now has gone through three loadings in the .475 Linebaugh. Large Rifle primers are totally appropriate.Prove me wrong besides just saying the same thing over and over. OB | |||
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Right from Starlines site.Dont get much plainer than that!!!! 475 LINEBAUGH (Large Rifle primer) 1.394"-1.399" O.A.L. The .475 and .500 Linebaugh are among the most powerful hunting revolver calibers available today. Several custom gun makers chamber special revolvers for this proprietary cartridge. Freedom Arms is also now chambering in .475. The .475 fires a .476" diameter cast projectile or a .475" diameter jacketed bullet. Both cases are currently available directly from Starline. Pack: 250 (+$106.35)500 (+$189.25)1000 (+$362.55) | |||
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And John Linebaugh designed the 475. Jack Huntington advises against useing large rifle primers in the 475. I have given you good and accurate infomation if you choose to ignore it, then no sweat off of my brow carry on. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Freedom Arms Premier Grade .475 Linebaugh by Jeff Quinn photography by Jeff Quinn & Boge Quinn July 16th, 2004 It has been almost twenty years since John Linebaugh developed the .475 Linebaugh cartridge. His experimentation has led shooters to levels of revolver power that, until that time, had been limited to pushing smaller and lighter bullets of .44 and .45 caliber to faster velocities. Linebaugh understood that greater power meant deeper penetration with heavier bullets, and that the best way to get bullets heavier was to increase diameter. The .475 was never intended to be a ".475 Swift", pushing lightweight bullets to rifle-like velocities. With properly constructed bullets weighing between 350 and 425 grains pushed to muzzle velocities of between 1000 and 1400 feet per second, the .475 Linebaugh will penetrate deeply enough to take any game animal on Earth. The .475 is not the best platform to push light hollowpoint bullets for varmint hunting. A .357, .41, or .44 magnum is a better choice for that type of hunting. The .475 is a whole different ball game. Its forte lies in its ability to pack a heavy punch in an easily packable sidearm; a sidearm that is light enough to have on your side anytime that you might need maximum stopping power. Whether you need a handy firearm while hunting or fishing in big bear country, or for working large cattle, the .475 is ideal to fit in a compact package. When first introduced, and for several years thereafter, the .475 was a wildcat cartridge. Cases were easily made from .45/70 rifle cases, cut off to about 1.41 inches, and loaded as normal. Today, quality factory ammunition is readily available from Buffalo Bore, Grizzly Cartridge Co., and Hornady. New empty cases are available from Buffalo Bore and Hornady, and are of the finest quality. I used Buffalo Bore cases exclusively for all handloads tested. These cases are made for Buffalo Bore by Starline, but are available only through Buffalo Bore. The best powders for heavy loads in the .475 are H110, WW296, H4227, and Lil’Gun. You are being a Dumazz. This stuff isn't necessary and won't be tolerated. You can disagree without the name calling. I will call up Linebaugh my self tommorow.Lets put some shekels on it.Dont believe the manufacturers or their reloading manuals???????Talk about hard headed.Are you afraid you might be wrong????? | |||
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What is your velocity estreme spread? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I've been knowing and talking to John Linebaugh since 1986, so name your price. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Oldbiker, you can cut the name calling out now. The Hornady book is wrong. You call up John Linebaugh and ask him yourself. John Taffin will tell you also to use only LP magnum primers. If you want to use LR primers go ahead. It's your revolver and your hands. Do what you want to with your revolver. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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And the production specification for the .475 came from Jack Huntington as he had to shorten it and make the rim smaller for it to fit in the FA 83. This spec cartridge is what the Starline case is based on and it doesn't use a large rifle primer. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You also need to realize that the rifle primer burns at a slightly hotter BTU and a longer duration. I has a tendency to push the entire payload out of the case before positive ignition occurs. When it occurs there will be an extreme spread in velocity and accuracy -- not a good idea in the least. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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OK ,I just talked with John Linebaugh.#1 he designed the 475 Linbaugh to be used with LR primers.reason being that he thought they would be more readily available #2 Choke,choke,choke.He recommends to not use LR primers,unless you back off a grain or 2 on powder.He recommends the use of a Winchester LP primer.For exactly what was said by you guys (High pressure)So I got to eat some crow here and apologize.He said the reason that my revolver would not fire the Pistol primers is that the fireing pin too short.He told me how to change the firing pin and gave me loads I might try.So an Old Dog has learned something new. JWP I owe you some Beer.Yeah I am a hard headed old fart. OB | |||
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OP, you're a bigger man than most! Can I get some beers out of you? JWP doesn't drink much beer......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Whitworth ,I will be glad to do that. | |||
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