I just sent my Encore 480 Ruger barrel to Gary Reeder to have him re-chambered it to the 475 Linebaugh.

I want to see what all the hype is about. I ordered some 475 Linebaugh Brass and it is already on the way.

I am loading my Ruger Super Redhawk 480 to almost the max, and I want to see what the 475 Linebaugh offers over the 480 Ruger. The good thing is, I will be able to test the 480 Ruger and the 475 Linebaugh in the same gun. What a good way to see the difference. If it is truly a good thing, I may send my Ruger 480 to JRH or Gary Reeder and have him do the conversion for me.

About 150 fps and a bunch more recoil.

There is an easier way, my buddy had mountain molds make an extra long nose bullet, thus the 480 has the some powder capacity as a 475L loaded to the contraints of the cylinder.

After watching him push 400's 1350 fps, I was content with my sedate 1200 fps. My groups opened up with increased charges.



2nd from right in both photos

So I really won't gain much? Kind of a waste in my opinion. I guess I will just leave my Ruger as a 480 and just play with the Encore barrel.

I thought for sure all the 475 Linebaugh shooter's would of come on here and give me the pro's and cons of it. So where are you 475 Linebaugh shooters?

By the time you posted, you had already put the wheels in motion. What's the point in pros and cons now?

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
So I really won't gain much? Kind of a waste in my opinion.

One could say the same thing with regards to the relationship between a number of cartridges like the .460 to the .45 Colt, and the .500 Smith and the .500 Linebaugh/JRH/.510 GNR. How much speed is needed?

Was the conversion of my .480 to .475 L necessary? Nope. But, that said, it is a tack driver, and it hammers game. And, to be perfectly honest, I like the added recoil. With the right bullet, the .480 is perfectly adequate. That said, I don't regret my decision to convert my SRH in the least. I think the .475 is inherently accurate, and it is hands down one of the best penetrators. And yes, it does kick when loaded up.

quote:

Originally posted by MS Hitman:
By the time you posted, you had already put the wheels in motion. What's the point in pros and cons now?

Just because I have already got the barrel sent off, does not take from the fact I would like to hear from those that have the 475 Linebaugh. But thanks for your input..

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

quote:

Originally posted by Redhawk1:
So I really won't gain much? Kind of a waste in my opinion.

One could say the same thing with regards to the relationship between a number of cartridges like the .460 to the .45 Colt, and the .500 Smith and the .500 Linebaugh/JRH/.510 GNR. How much speed is needed?

Was the conversion of my .480 to .475 L necessary? Nope. But, that said, it is a tack driver, and it hammers game. And, to be perfectly honest, I like the added recoil. With the right bullet, the .480 is perfectly adequate. That said, I don't regret my decision to convert my SRH in the least. I think the .475 is inherently accurate, and it is hands down one of the best penetrators. And yes, it does kick when loaded up.

Come on Whitworth, you can't even put the 45 Colt and S&W 460 on the same playing field. Not as close as the 480 Ruger and 475 Linebaugh. And again the 500 Mag is a different animal than the .500 Linebaugh/JRH/.510 GNR.

How much speed does one need, hell I don't know. But who cares about need...

The recoil of a handguns does not bother me either, but what advantage will I actually gain from the 475 Linebaugh over the 480 Ruger. My Ruger Redhawk 480 is a tack driver now with 400 gr. bullets loaded .3 gr. from the max load in my manual.

I guess when I get my Encore barrel back, I will see what the 475 Linebaugh is all about. I was just looking to add something different to my handgun collection.

I was thinking if I did not do the conversion to my Ruger, I could get a BFR in 475 Linebaugh, or maybe another custom revolver. I am never happy, even with the large selection of handguns I already have. I know there is always another gun I want.

The 500 Mag is a different animal in that it has a huge case. But, I don't buy into the velocity argument like you do. I don't think that the .500 mag is more effective than the JRH or the Linebaugh, to be perfectly honest. No one has proven to me that the extra velocity aids in its ability to put an animal down. But, that's just me.

I should have perhaps used the .454 in the comparison to the .460, but again, I don't buy into the velocity argument. I don't think the .45 Colt is really missing much of anything. I think there are optimal bullet weights to diameter, and even I have used 400 grain bullets in my .454, but it actually does a bit better with 350s and 360s.

It is good to see you moving towards the .475! It is a wonderful round!

Whitworth, one thing I like about more velocity is the extra distance and flatter trajectory I get. When I can shot my 460 Mag out to 200 yards with no hold over from 25 yards to 200 yards, that is where velocity comes into play.

I know you don't buy into the extra energy, but I still feel it plays a big role in added killing power. Will a hog or black bear know the difference of being shot with a 500 Mag going 1800 fps or a 500 JHR going 1100 or 1200 fps from 30 yards, most likely not, with either round it will be dead. But when my shots get longer, I know I will still have enough velocity to get the job done.

Well I just had to see what the 475 Linebaugh was all about, some of you keep talking about it. You know how it is, you keep hearing about something, and the next thing you know, you want to try it.

Keep in mind that the .475 Linebaugh was one of the first serious, no compromise, big-game handgun cartridges developed. It's more of a handgunners handgun cartridge. You'll like it as there really isn't anything not to like.

When you shoot your .460 out to 200 yards with no holdover, what bullets are you shooting? Just don't tell me the 200 grain Hornadys!

No I would never shoot them 200 gr. Hornady's, they are junk bullets. I am using 240 gr. Hornady XTP mags and 250 gr. hard cast bullets from Montana Bullet works.

With my 300 gr. Hard cast bullets 150 yards is what I shot them at. I do 95% of my shooting with the 300 gr. hard cast bullets anymore.

My Casull, at a higher velocity than my .475 requires more holdover at 200 yards. This is also the case with my .44s shooting much lighter bullets than the .475. I don't know if it is related to muzzle rise, but the heavier bullets I shoot seem to have a flatter flight path........just an observation.

I wouldn't hesitate to take a 150 yard shot even with my "sedate" 1,340 fps average velocity.........

I am glad to hear that you don't use that 200 grainer........talk about tits on a boar.......

We may not agree totally on the velocity and energy, but I think we both agree on hard cast bullets.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
We may not agree totally on the velocity and energy, but I think we both agree on hard cast bullets.

Nor does John Linebaugh....... He thinks that anything over 1200 fps is pretty much a waste.......

Anyhow, that is neither here nor there. What have you taken with 240 grain XTPs and how did they perform? What kind of speed are you pushing them to?

I'd like to know more about the magical bullet that requires no trajectory correction at 200 yards, asumimg a 50 or 100 yard zero

My 300 Win shoot a bullet with a BC of .507 with a muzzle velocity of 3070 FPS is 2.5" low at 200 yards with a 100 yard zero. I am surre that the 460 bullets do not have a .507 BC nor do they produce 3000 FPS

I can only relate what the BFR does compared to the .480. With the WFN that Marko and I use, the boolit goes deep and will actually fit a Freedom, there is not a lot of difference between a boolit seated out in the .480. However, with the long cylinder of the BFR I can chamber heavy boolits seated out much longer and that is where the .475 will outpace the .480. A trajectory gain only but the WFN shoots so flat to 200 yd's as it is, I don't know if it is worth it.
The only thing I found with the BFR was when I used .480 brass I could NOT get the accuracy I wanted. Higher pressure--maybe, I don't know but changing to .475 brass at the same velocity or close to it, accuracy improved a lot.
I will never put down the .480 but I do love the .475!
However, anyone that shoots big bores in a TC is a NUT! I don't mind recoil but the TC is a piece of crap for recoil. The darn things can HURT you!
So Redhawk, you are a NUT!

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
So Redhawk, you are a NUT!

Not that this is necessarily a bad thing!

BFRshooter, yea I am a nut. And yes the recoil in the T/C is way up there, I have a 500 Mag and 510 GNR in an Encore, so the 475 Linebaugh should be no problem..

Whitworth, I have taken a hog and a few deer with that 240 gr. bullet and it worked just fine. To tell you the truth, I really do not know the speed of the 240 gr. bullet. But I am smoking it out of the 460 Mag.

JWP, I am sighted in 2 inch's high at 100 yards, I am not saying I don't get any bullet drop, but I can hit a 4 inch clay target at 200 yards and just hold on the top of the clay target, so I guess I have a little hold over, but my sight never goes off the 4 inch target. So I look at it as a 4 inch margin of error. Still good enough to kill a deer or anything else I hit at that distance.
Any more questions you need answered, and there is no magic bullet, that is only in your little mind..

I have "little mind", this is what you posted

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
Whitworth, one thing I like about more velocity is the extra distance and flatter trajectory I get. When I can shot my 460 Mag out to 200 yards with no hold over from 25 yards to 200 yards, that is where velocity comes into play.

No, I don't think that you have any answers that I need

JWP instead of coming here and picking my post apart like you seem to like to do to everyone, except a select few, why not give insight on the question on the 475 Linebaugh. Do you feel better trying to find flaws in people posts or are you always just an a**hole.

You always come across as a know it all, if you don't post it, it is not true.

I can only go by what you post and you have posted more than once that your 460 has no holder over at 200 yards because of the velocity. Now that we have that solved that mystery, I'll give you my take on the 475 Linebaugh

The 475 is very capable of taking a game in the world and has. The small amount of additional velocity over the 480 is a moot point. The 475 was a very succesful and established cartridge before the 480 came along. Thge 480 is a redundeant cartridge that was a solution to a non existent problem. Ruger could have accomplished the same result by useing the 475 cartridge and introduceing the limited usefullness 325 grain hollow point load that they introduced with the annoncement of the 480. They 475 Linebaugh has more than enough penetration for any animal at only 1200 FPS other than the sexiness of more speed seems to sell caartridges better than just loading them to the nessecary speeds. As Ross Seyfried once wrote "flat shooting and handguns should not be in the same sentence" I tend to agree.

Using 2000 fps with a 240 gr. bullet and being sighted in 2 inch high at 100 yards there is only a 4 inch drop at 200 yards. Still on target. I may of been off by saying I have no hold over, which I should of said, I do not have to take my cross hairs of my 4 inch target at 200 yards.

Trajectory Output
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.500 G1 Bullet Weight: 240.00 gr
Caliber: 0.452 in

Muzzle Velocity: 2000.0 ft/s Chronograph Distance: 10.0 ft

Sight Height: 2.00 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 2.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Azimuth: 0.00 MOA Elevation: 0.00 MOA
LOS Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg

Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg

Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0 ft

Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No
Corrected Pressure: Yes Target Relative Drops: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation: 8.17 MOA Azimuth: 0.00 MOA

Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lbs/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s

Maximum PBR: 252 yds Maximum PBR Zero: 214 yds
Range at Max Height: 120 yds Energy at PBR: 1428.1 ft•lbs

Sectional Density: 0.168 lbs/in²

Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -2.0
100 2.0
200 -4.1
300 -22.2
400 -54.4
500 -103.1

quote:

Originally posted by jwp475:
I can only go by what you post and you have posted more than once that your 460 has no holder over at 200 yards because of the velocity. Now that we have that solved that mystery, I'll give you my take on the 475 Linebaugh

The 475 is very capable of taking a game in the world and has. The small amount of additional velocity over the 480 is a moot point. The 475 was a very succesful and established cartridge before the 480 came along. Thge 480 is a redundeant cartridge that was a solution to a non existent problem. Ruger could have accomplished the same result by useing the 475 cartridge and introduceing the limited usefullness 325 grain hollow point load that they introduced with the annoncement of the 480. They 475 Linebaugh has more than enough penetration for any animal at only 1200 FPS other than the sexiness of more speed seems to sell caartridges better than just loading them to the nessecary speeds. As Ross Seyfried once wrote "flat shooting and handguns should not be in the same sentence" I tend to agree.

Thank you JWP, that was what I was looking for.
So in essence, I am not accomplishing anything by going to the 475 Linebaugh in my Encore barrel?

But from my understanding, the reason Ruger used the 480 Ruger instead of the 475 Linebaugh was, you cannot use the full potential of the 475 Linebaugh in the shorter cylinder of the Ruger Super Redhawk. Now would loading a 475 Linebaugh with less powder and a bullet seated in further to fit the Ruger cylinder, cause a pressure problem? Seeing's how you have changed how the 475 Linebaugh case would not have the bullet seated properly (to far) in the case?
Or am I off base here?

As for flat shooting and handguns, were are in a new era, times are changing.

Nope, there is plenty of room in an SRH cylinder. Hell, if the FA will house it comfortably, then the Ruger is good as it has an even longer cylinder. Ruger just wanted to put their name on a new cartridge.

See, that is the whole point of what we are saying. All of the added velocity doesn't help them kill better. That is why a .500 Smith doesn't kill better than a .500 JRH or Linebaugh.

BTW, been meaning to ask you about your bullet choice in your .510 GNR. Can you load heavier bullets than 350s and still get a little velocity? Just curious if you tried anything out in the 450 grain range. And how is the recoil in the Reeder gun? And lastly, how is your knee doing?

quote:

Originally posted by Redhawk1:

quote:

Originally posted by jwp475:
I can only go by what you post and you have posted more than once that your 460 has no holder over at 200 yards because of the velocity. Now that we have that solved that mystery, I'll give you my take on the 475 Linebaugh

The 475 is very capable of taking a game in the world and has. The small amount of additional velocity over the 480 is a moot point. The 475 was a very succesful and established cartridge before the 480 came along. Thge 480 is a redundeant cartridge that was a solution to a non existent problem. Ruger could have accomplished the same result by useing the 475 cartridge and introduceing the limited usefullness 325 grain hollow point load that they introduced with the annoncement of the 480. They 475 Linebaugh has more than enough penetration for any animal at only 1200 FPS other than the sexiness of more speed seems to sell caartridges better than just loading them to the nessecary speeds. As Ross Seyfried once wrote "flat shooting and handguns should not be in the same sentence" I tend to agree.

Thank you JWP, that was what I was looking for.
So in essence, I am not accomplishing anything by going to the 475 Linebaugh in my Encore barrel?

But from my understanding, the reason Ruger used the 480 Ruger instead of the 475 Linebaugh was, you cannot use the full potential of the 475 Linebaugh in the shorter cylinder of the Ruger Super Redhawk. Now would loading a 475 Linebaugh with less powder and a bullet seated in further to fit the Ruger cylinder, cause a pressure problem? Seeing's how you have changed how the 475 Linebaugh case would not have the bullet seated properly (to far) in the case?
Or am I off base here?

As for flat shooting and handguns, were are in a new era, times are changing.

As for flat shooting and handguns, were are in a new era, times are changing


I don't think that a 300 Savage is considered to be flat shooting and it is faster than a 460 S&W

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:
Nope, there is plenty of room in an SRH cylinder. Hell, if the FA will house it comfortably, then the Ruger is good as it has an even longer cylinder. Ruger just wanted to put their name on a new cartridge.

See, that is the whole point of what we are saying. All of the added velocity doesn't help them kill better. That is why a .500 Smith doesn't kill better than a .500 JRH or Linebaugh.

BTW, been meaning to ask you about your bullet choice in your .510 GNR. Can you load heavier bullets than 350s and still get a little velocity? Just curious if you tried anything out in the 450 grain range. And how is the recoil in the Reeder gun? And lastly, how is your knee doing?

Whitworth, the knee is coming along well. I am getting around OK. I see the Doc on the 5th of August and will see what he has to say.


Now back to the matter at hand..

I agree, there is no such thing as killing better, dead is dead.
But I am under the understanding from a custom gun maker that I talk to about the conversion, the 475 Linebaugh is not a good idea in the Super Redhawk. And here are his exact words to me. But the cylinder is still too short, which causes one to seat the bullet way down when it is chambered to 475, which causes the pressures to skyrocket and then you end up with a blown cylinder.
Not my words but the word of a well know gun maker.

As for the 510 GNR, the recoil is not bad with the 350 gr. bullets, I have shot a few different loads and the max loads are a handful, but nothing compared to my BFR in 500 Mag with a 370 gr. bullet.

I have not tried any bullets bigger than the 350 gr. I am looking at the reloading data and the bullet listed is a 435 gr. bullet at 1200 fps.

Here is some information on the 510 GNR also.
The .510 GNR is basically a slightly shortened .500 Linebaugh with the idea of being able to duplicate full-house Linebaugh loads while at the same time having a shorter cartridge case for developing .50 Special loads and, like the Linebaugh, it also uses bullets in the .510" to 512" range. Full-house factory loads include a 435-grain hard cast at 1,300 fps and a 350-grain hard cast at 1,360 fps.

Here was some data from the 350 gr. bullets in the 510GNR.
Bullet load primer ave vel ext sprd std dev
350 LFN GC 29.0 H110 Fed LP 1185 17 7
350 WFN GC 29.0 H110 Fed LP 1168 28 12
350 LFN GC 30.0 H110 Fed LP 1224 26 12
350 WFN GC 30.0 H110 Fed LP 1198 60 27
350 LFN GC 31.0 H110 Fed LP 1284 23 10
350 WFN GC 31.0 H110 Fed LP 1267 24 12

350 LFN GC 29.0 IMR 4227 Fed LP 1287 11 4
350 WFN GC 29.0 IMR 4227 Fed LP 1257 46 34
350 LFN GC 30.0 IMR 4227 Fed LP 1359 16 7
350 WFN GC 30.0 IMR 4227 Fed LP 1279 6 2
350 LFN GC 31.0 IMR 4227 Fed LP 1410 26 11
350 WFN GC 31.0 IMR 4227 Fed LP 1358 39 16

350 WFN GC 10.0 Titegroup Fed LP 1042 12 5
350 WFN GC 11.0 Unique Fed LP 1007 45 23
350 WFN GC 13.0 IMR 800-X Fed LP 1035 11 6

How is the cylinder too short? It's longer than the FA .475 cylinder. Jack Huntington has done MANY of these conversions and there is no issue as the cartridge fits the cylinder length well. We seat the bullets where they are supposed to be seated. I run my 420 grain bullets between 1,340 and 1,355 fps and there are absolutely no pressure signs. There are only two custom gunsmiths that build cylinders for DA revolvers -- Clemens and JRH, and 3 who build DA .475s, and they all use the SRH for that conversion. Tell me it isn't Reeder that told you that as if I can recall correctly, he doesn't build double action revolvers.

Whitworth, here is some information on loaded ammo for the 510 GNR.

510 GNR 350 Short
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 350 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps; Blackhawk / 6†bbl
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: The short load was developed for people to practice with, but it is still deadly on large nasty critters. This is the load I carry most often.

510 GNR 350 Long
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 350 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1350 fps; Blackhawk / 6†bbl
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: As the primary load for this cartridge it offers tremendous power, accuracy, and versatility. It can be used in revolvers as a back-up in grizzly bear country or anywhere else that dangerous game dwells. Has been shot through buffalo end-to-end.

510 GNR 435 Long
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 435 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps; 12†Encore barrel w/ brake
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: As the max load for this cartridge it’s a handful. Most often used in Encore barrels, it can be used in revolvers..

Also, the Casull has the same length case, thinner cylinder walls and SAAMI spec pressure of 62,000 psi. I think your gunsmith does not know what he's talking about. No offense.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
How is the cylinder too short? It's longer than the FA .475 cylinder. Jack Huntington has done MANY of these conversions and there is no issue as the cartridge fits the cylinder length well. We seat the bullets where they are supposed to be seated. I run my 420 grain bullets between 1,340 and 1,355 fps and there are absolutely no pressure signs. There are only two custom gunsmiths that build cylinders for DA revolvers -- Clemens and JRH, and 3 who build DA .475s, and they all use the SRH for that conversion. Tell me it isn't Reeder that told you that as if I can recall correctly, he doesn't build double action revolvers.

Yes indeed it was him. That was why I was asking. I don't have a clue if it was correct or not, that was why I put my statement of, Or am I off base here?

That is why I am asking so many questions and Whitworth I appreciate all your time in your answers.

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:
Also, the Casull has the same length case, thinner cylinder walls and SAAMI spec pressure of 62,000 psi. I think your gunsmith does not know what he's talking about. No offense.

No offence took, I am just repeating what I was told, I am not a gunsmith or gun maker and never clam to be.

Again thanks for the answers. But I think my Ruger will stay a 480 and I will just buy another gun when I get a wild hair up my a$$..

The SRH cylinder is as long as the oversized cylinders used on the original Ruger Blackhawk/ Super Blackhawk frames when the window was opened up for the big cylinder in the first conversions when the cartridge was developed. The only gun with a shorter cylinder that still readily accepts the .475 is the Freedom 83.

Not a problem, Redhawk! Reeder is way off base here.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
But I am under the understanding from a custom gun maker that I talk to about the conversion, the 475 Linebaugh is not a good idea in the Super Redhawk. And here are his exact words to me. But the cylinder is still too short, which causes one to seat the bullet way down when it is chambered to 475, which causes the pressures to skyrocket and then you end up with a blown cylinder.
Not my words but the word of a well know gun maker.

This is shocking, for Reader to make such an inaccurate statement as this is numbing. The SRH cylinder can only be considered short if one were trying to chamber a 45/70 in it...

Edited to add, the shrtest cylinder factory revolver chambered for the 475 Linebaugh that I am aware of is the Freedom M-83. The case lenght of the 475 Linebaugh was originaly shortened by Jack Huntington inorder to fit in the Freedom Arms revovler and Buffalo Bore officialy adopted this case length for there fatory loaded ammo and now that is the standard lenght.
Also if one does seat the bullets deeper into the case for a shorter COAL then one should also adjust the powder charge accordingly to allow for the lesser case capacity. That is reloading 101 and for Reader to not understnd this is simply amazing IMHO.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
Whitworth, here is some information on loaded ammo for the 510 GNR.

510 GNR 350 Short
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 350 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps; Blackhawk / 6†bbl
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: The short load was developed for people to practice with, but it is still deadly on large nasty critters. This is the load I carry most often.

510 GNR 350 Long
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 350 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1350 fps; Blackhawk / 6†bbl
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: As the primary load for this cartridge it offers tremendous power, accuracy, and versatility. It can be used in revolvers as a back-up in grizzly bear country or anywhere else that dangerous game dwells. Has been shot through buffalo end-to-end.

510 GNR 435 Long
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 435 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps; 12†Encore barrel w/ brake
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: As the max load for this cartridge it’s a handful. Most often used in Encore barrels, it can be used in revolvers..

What's the long and short designation refering to? Case length?

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:

quote:

Originally posted by Redhawk1:
Whitworth, here is some information on loaded ammo for the 510 GNR.

510 GNR 350 Short
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 350 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps; Blackhawk / 6†bbl
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: The short load was developed for people to practice with, but it is still deadly on large nasty critters. This is the load I carry most often.

510 GNR 350 Long
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 350 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1350 fps; Blackhawk / 6†bbl
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: As the primary load for this cartridge it offers tremendous power, accuracy, and versatility. It can be used in revolvers as a back-up in grizzly bear country or anywhere else that dangerous game dwells. Has been shot through buffalo end-to-end.

510 GNR 435 Long
Intended Game: Buffalo, big bears, and other nasty critters
Bullet Featured: .511 435 gr. WFNGC
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps; 12†Encore barrel w/ brake
Effective Range: 100 yards +/-
Comment: As the max load for this cartridge it’s a handful. Most often used in Encore barrels, it can be used in revolvers..

What's the long and short designation refering to? Case length?

It is for the seating of the bullet, the short is in the top crimp grove and the long is for the second crimp grove in the bullet. The long allows more powder.

Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying that.

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Originally posted by jwp475:

quote:

Originally posted by Redhawk1:
But I am under the understanding from a custom gun maker that I talk to about the conversion, the 475 Linebaugh is not a good idea in the Super Redhawk. And here are his exact words to me. But the cylinder is still too short, which causes one to seat the bullet way down when it is chambered to 475, which causes the pressures to skyrocket and then you end up with a blown cylinder.
Not my words but the word of a well know gun maker.

This is shocking, for Reader to make such an inaccurate statement as this is numbing. The SRH cylinder can only be considered short if one were trying to chamber a 45/70 in it...

Edited to add, the shrtest cylinder factory revolver chambered for the 475 Linebaugh that I am aware of is the Freedom M-83. The case lenght of the 475 Linebaugh was originaly shortened by Jack Huntington inorder to fit in the Freedom Arms revovler and Buffalo Bore officialy adopted this case length for there fatory loaded ammo and now that is the standard lenght.
Also if one does seat the bullets deeper into the case for a shorter COAL then one should also adjust the powder charge accordingly to allow for the lesser case capacity. That is reloading 101 and for Reader to not understnd this is simply amazing IMHO.

There you go assuming once again, he said that because people still try to put the max powder in the case and compress the charge to get the longer bullets to fit in the cylinder. That was what he was referring to.

You like to jump to conclusions without knowing the full story. If you were not so quick to criticize, you might actually learn something one of these day JWP.

Maybe you should contact Mr Reeder yourself and see what he has to say. I am sure being a custom gun smith for 30 years, he has quit a bit of knowledge on handguns. What is your back round to tell us Mr Reeder does not know what he is talking about?

Like I said, I am not a gunsmith or gun maker, and don't claimed to be, and I dam sure am not qualified to tell a custom gunsmith, he doesn't know what he is talking about. You call him and tell him, I am sure you can quote someone to back your findings...

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying that.

Whitworth, I have to thank you for being one of the guys that has his shit together. I know you will give it your best shot to answer a question without being a smarta$$.

One day we need to get together and shoot, I think it would be a load of fun.

Whitworth, I do have a question. I know you don't "buy into" the laws of physics, but you remarked that no one has proved the 500 mag to be that much more powerful. Now I'm ASKING (I do NOT know already), has any of those "wildcat" rounds ever killed Elephant, rhino and hippo? I know S&W used that as a promo early on.

And would YOU please answer. I still have JWP on "ignore", but from Redhawks comments, I see he hasn't changed any yet.

George, the 510 GRN has been to Africa and has been used on Elephant and Cape Buffalo, If you go to the Reeder's site you can see the pic's.