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This is the first AD that I have ever had with a gun. Here is what happened: Now the gun has a transfer bar and is not supposed to go off from the half cock position. What I found was that the pistol could be fired if the trigger is held down and the hammer is allowed to fall the last quarter of the way after the half cock position. IS THIS NORMAL or should I be calling the company. "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | ||
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With the trigger held back the transfer bar is in the up position alowing the hammer to strike the transfer bar driving the fireing pin forward. That it happen with a quarter of travel means you have a strong hammer spring. When I decock pistols with transfer bars I let the trigger go foward with the hammer. Dropping the transfer bar out of the way then if the hammer slips it does not discharge. | |||
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Scares me quite often loading my FA 83 (no transfer bar) at the range. So much so, that I've started only loading four rounds at the range when practicing a slow draw/fire from a chest holster. Assuming no injuries ensued. | |||
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I have two Ruger single actions, a Bisley Vaquero in 45LC and a Blackhawk in 41Mag (both new models), and I leave the hammer in the forward/down position when loading them. I don't know if all single action wheel guns have this feature but if they don't they should. If your SA has the transfer bar safety you should try turning the cylinder with the loading gate open and the hammer down. Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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Unfortunately that wont work, the pistol needs to be in half cock to cycle the cylinder. "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | |||
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What kind of a revolver is it?? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Beretta Stampede "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | |||
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soap box alert: "slipped" and gun went bang. take responsibility for your own actions. that is all. (or pick some other hobby) | |||
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That's what the the guy told the lady when she got pregnant.  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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What most call accidental discharges are, in reality, negligent discharges. Once you have released the hammer, take your finger off the trigger and release the transfer bar. The revolver did exactly what it was supposed to do when fired. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Thats how my first kid was conceived.  | |||
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They the first can come any time the rest after 9 months. | |||
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What happen with load one, skip one, load four...pull hammer all the way back and let it down on an empty chamber. Works like a charm. | |||
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Not necessary witha transfer bar system. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You have to hold the trigger down past half cock or else it stops at the half cock position. Otherwise that is what I would do. "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | |||
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 "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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40 years ago I blew the back window out of a 1969 BMW 1600. After hunting a spot and moving to another I propped my gun on the back seat. Muzzle was pointed up. I started to get in looked at gun and pushed the trigger down to make sure the safety was on. It wasn't. The back window disintegrated when it was hit by a load of 12ga. #6. That was a STUPID discharge. Thank God I was alone. btw this is the first time I've ever told this Cats have nine lives. Which makes them ideal for experimentation... | |||
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Guess I will have to be more careful next time now that I know that this can happen. Lesson learned  "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Had the left hand around the cly ? Happens real fast. | |||
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Most folks that handle guns a lot have had one sometime in their life. Good muzzle habits are what keep the injuries down. Most folks that have one never talk about it, either. Sorry for your injury, theCanadian. And thanks for being frank enough to maybe help someone else avoid a similar incident. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I load five in my Single actions, even though they all have transfer bars. That way I put the hammer down on an empty chamber. | |||
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Since I understand the Beretta works a little differently from the Ruger, I have what may be a silly question. Rather than fully releasing the hammer, is there a problem with simply leaving the hammer on half cock rather than letting it down? Aren't you going to pull it all the way back when you fire it anyway? Will the hammer be released from half cock by simply pulling the trigger? I really am asking because I don't know about the Beretta. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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The reason for letting the hammer down was to holster the pistol. The only reason that I have to leave the pistol on half cock would be that I cant secure the strap on the holster, just wont fit. With the Beretta, you have to pull the hammer back before it will let it all the way down. "though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." ---Thomas Jefferson | |||
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That looks like it's gonna feel good when it quits hurting. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I can't recommend walking around with a single action revolver on half cock condition. I release the trigger once the sear breaks and let the hammer down with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Thanks guys. My Win94 and Browning Highwall both said it was safe to keep them on half cock, that is why I was asking about the pistol. Thanks for the info. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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My younger son almost killed himself ...or me. He had already been in the Oregon National guard for 3 or 4 years. I was driving him in my car. Danny sat next to me at my right.Having a concealed permit, but only going a small distance, I didn't put on my holster. So, I had a 1911 with loaded mag but empty chamber stuck between us where the seats meet. Danny on some mad impulse grabbed the 45, dropped the mag, and pulled back the slide, then replaced the mag, then chambered a round. Who knows what he was thinking, but he pulled the trigger. The bullet missed me by inches, but went through his left thigh then into the seat. We went to the hospital where police took a statement.During "Iraqi Freedom" Danny soon went to Iraq with the Guard. Just another scary reminder that guns can kill even accidentally. But I still like owning them very much. | |||
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I call that my Gun Safety First Rule. Never ever allow any gun to get pointed accidentally or otherwise at anybody. Regardless if you know for a fact it's unloaded. Another is, use the safety, but never trust it. Another is always be asking where's the bullet going to wind up. As in, are there people, towns or livestock over that hill or beyond that field or just beyond the tops of those trees? Fourth rule, when the hunt or shoot is over, last thing before putting long guns in the case is, check to see if empty, cock it, point it straight up and pull the trigger. Then go ahead and case it. That's a ritual with me. For the last forty or so years. Then I know it's cleared to take home. You can go a long way with just those rules. And they're easy to remember. | |||
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Your FA 83 should ALWAYS be carried, and holstered with the hammer down on an EMPTY chamber. ALWAYS. A wise person will ignore comments like "... I've carried 5 rounds with the hammer on the 'safety notch' for years ..." The Lord sometimes watches over the foolish. Sometimes. I'm not really new. I had 1,000+ posts going back to 1996, when I suddenly found myself unable to Log In, in late 2013 | |||
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I been reading this for years and simply never bought into it. Every big name writer always states the same thing, but why? Is something going to come up and wack the revolver hammer so the force pushes it onto the primer setting off the round? If you fall how in the world could the revolver be in the right position for the hammer to ignite the primer? If you were that concerned about carrying a loaded single action then why not leave the next cylinder unloaded? Because if you have a mishap it would seem to me it would come by the hammer being cocked accidently then moving a loaded round into place. I been carrying a FA for decades with 5 rounds and will continue to use the best safety ever invented, my common sense. I am also willing to change my ways if my thinking is in error, so please educate me. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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On some level there's some "superstition" at work. I'll give you a for instance. With the S&W this is not supposed to happen. Right? But, I carry a Model 29 .44 magnum in a shoulder holster and one day I'm bending over to clean a deer and guess what happens? Out it falls and it hits the ground fairly hard muzzle pointed right at my head. I heard the rounds rattle. The grips even have a bit of dirt showing where that end hit. And it's fully loaded. So...it did prompt me to call the holster maker and get one of those safety straps to hold the gun securely in the holster. It was missing on mine (picked it up cheap at a gun show). And it got me reviewing the gun's internal set up and so forth. What I'm saying is, that sort of thing's an attention getter. I mean, suppose there's even a one out of a thousand chance. Anyway, I do however still load all six. Same with the Ruger SBH New Model (it fits the same holster). | |||
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The first rule is "never point your gun at anything you don't want dead." The second rule is "all guns are loaded." Somewhere in those rules is "Know your gun." My Ruger has a transfer bar safety. The hammer cannot touch the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled. I can hold the hammer and pull the trigger to lower the hammer and once it gets past the sear engagement I can release the trigger and then finish letting the hammer down. I don't need to cock the hammer to load or unload the cylinder. I have never had an "accidental" or negligent fire with it. I did have a negligent fire with my 03A3. It happened after I had the trigger worked on by a friend. I had the round chambered and the rifle on "safe". When I released the safety the gun discharged. The barrel was pointed in a safe direction and the only thing hurt was my pride. I took the gun to a gunsmith and had a new trigger installed. Since then I don't even use a safety. I AM the safety. Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page. | |||
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Welcome to AR, Ken! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Thanks, Whitworth. Actually, though, I've been a member for 9 or 10 years with probably about a thousand posts (under kenoneill) when suddenly a few months ago I was unable to log in or post. This was perhaps related to my changing computers, a different ISP, and a different email address. In any event, I finally gave up and re-registered under Ken ONeill. I remember that the same thing happened to my friend sixshot/Dick Thompson a few months back. snowwolf, Its your gun and your body. Do what you want. There's a reason that knowledgeable writers and others in the industry make the same recommendation that I do. My friends in the Baker family at FA have had to suffer the tribulations of a lawsuit and unfavorable judgement over just such a careless attitude and handling. So did Ruger years ago, thus we have the New Model. But as I said, its your gun and your body. I'm not interested in a pissing contest, so do what you want. Perhaps others will listen. I'm not really new. I had 1,000+ posts going back to 1996, when I suddenly found myself unable to Log In, in late 2013 | |||
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You are absolutely right, Ken. I thought you were a member here, but saw the new member moniker and then my brain ceased to process. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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If some of you wish to keep an empty chamber under the hammer that's a personal choice. When you carry a semi auto handgun hunting do you carry it with a round in the chamber or not? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Different mechanism. At least in the semiautos i'm familiar with the firing pin is not resting on a primer with the hammer down. On the FA 83 it is like an old model Ruger or colt SAA. Like Ken said there are some who have had FAs discharge in the holster due to a blow on the hammer | |||
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With some semis in theory you could get an inertia firing similar to a slam fire when closing the slide. I've never seen it happen, but I suppose it's not impossible. But if the hammer is locked back and the safety is on that's not supposed to happen. I've heard that's the way a 1911 is carried in combat. And you've got the grip safety going for you too. That's what it's there for. But to answer Snow's question, I carry my BHP, Colt semis, HS, Challenger II, S&W 41 and Auto Mags in the woods either way depending on how pressing the need to have one chambered. For squirrels I don't leave it chambered. Not necessary. For the deer stand, they are chambered. No choice there because you got no time to fool with it if a deer happens on you. They don't give a lot of warning. | |||
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I find it interesting that some people will trust a manual safety but will not trust their own "built in safety" To each there own as we all have different methods. But I would be interested to read about accidental discharges that have have happened to FA users who carried a full cylinder while the revolver was holstered. Anyone have any links to point me to? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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I am not familiar with the FA, is it similar to the Colt SAA or the old Rugers, ie no transfer bar just a hammer and firing pin? If so carrying it with the hammer down with the pin resting on a primer is really not a good idea. I have read several accounts (one by Elmer him self) of guys carrying that way, saddling a horse and having a stirrup come flopping down, hitting hammer, and getting shot in the leg. My dad, before he learned the hard way (no one hurt but the fridge took a hit) found out that it was not smart to carry a 1911 with the hammer in the 'safety' notch. Pistol was holstered on a belt on his pants. He was undressing, undid his belt and let his pants slide down to the floor and BOOM. What I have never seen discussed is carrying a sa revolver with the hammer down with the cylinder half way between two chambers. The old Colt Navy had pins between the chambers and a notch in the hammer so that it could be carried with all 6 chambers loaded. C.G.B. | |||
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