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Looking for something 200 grain or less that I can load hot and make go very fast. Hornady shows a load for 44 mag that pushes a 200 xtp 2000ish fps. Anyone know of any 45 slugs that I can crimp and make go fast? Wouldnt hafta go quite so fast, i just want something light to work with but would like to find something i can crimp. Does anyone know of a 200 grain or less .452 That i can crimp and load hot? | ||
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You may be better off using a .44 Mag expander plug and increasing case tension on the bullet to go with that crimp. Other thing you may have to do is cut a cannelure in the bullet of your choice. I've had to do this for loading XTPs in the .38-40 WCF. Not what you wanted to hear, but what you are facing. You could always just go to a .357 Magnum for "light and fast". If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I don't Know what a 44 mag expander plug is. Excuse my ignorance. I also like making big holes lol. | |||
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If you don't know what an expander plug is, then you probably don't need to be reloading until you learn. It is used in the step to bell the case mouth in order to facilitate easier insertion of the bullet into the case. By using the expander plug from a .44 Mag die set, you can bell the case mouth without stretching the case itself too deeply. This will increase the case tension on the bullet, a condition that will hold much better than a crimp. Shooting light for caliber bullets at high speeds generally leads to large shallow wounds and very little penetration on a target of any size. For paper targets, it really doesn't matter. If you want to make big holes, you'd be better off using 300 grain plus bullets, and cast are a great type of bullet for penetration. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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To add to MS Hitman's suggestion. The LEE universal expander die, is only a bell mouth die which leaves all the neck tension afforded by the dimension of the sizing die. Said expander is now found a home in my Hornady LNL for all handgun cartridges. | |||
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Yeh, I get what an expander is but I didn't realize I can do that step with a die for another caliber so I thought you might have meant something else. Im just experimenting. It seems like if anyone mentions using something lighter than 250-300 grains in a 45 people act like you're commiting some kind of crime lol. I've been shooting deer with 250-300 grain slugs for 10+ years. I finally got a reloading set up and want to experiment. Ive shot plenty heavy bullets, i wanna experiment with something different. Dont know if i would try to shoot at a deer with a lighter bullet, however hornady's leverevolution round is only 225 grain and it only moves at about 950 fps. Several people on here have mentioned cutting my own groove. What do i use to do that? Is it like a little lathe? | |||
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It's not a crime to shoot light bullets fast, just not terribly smart to use on deer. You will need to replace the expander plug in the .45 Colt die. Just saying for full disclosure purposes. Otherwise, you will have a mess on your hands. Cannelures can be cut on a lathe, there are tools for that purpose, stay away from the CH4D model! If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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I'm not understanding why I need to replace the expander die. I can adjust it to expand just slightly. I must be not understanding something. I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm just trying learn. | |||
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The .44 expander plug will bell the case mouth, yet because it is smaller than a .45 expander plug, it will not stretch out the case body as far down as the .45 expander plug does. This allows the case to retain the sized circumference and will grip the bullet tighter. Case neck tension holds bullets better than a crimp. Not something you have to do, but I have found this helps tremendously with reducing bullets sliding out of the case on heavy Casull loads. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Oh I see. Thanks for the info. That would keep the crimp from scraping led off = better accuracy. | |||
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No experience loading 45 LC, but lots of experience loading 45 ACP. The bullet diameters are identical. Jacketed run .451" Lead run .452 or sometimes .453. Remington, for one, offers a "45 cal." bullet in 185 gr. JHP, 0.451" with a cannelure. Yeah, these are intended for anti-personnel, and called "flying ashtrays" because the BC is short and wide. Hogdgon lists some 45 ACP loads in +P for this bullet -- or they used to. I have an older data manual. But I'm inclined to side with the others here who prefer a heavier, slower load for game shooting. ================================================================== A. Hamilton "The Federalist, No. 29, 'Concerning the Militia'" [I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. | |||
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My loads look like the one on the right. I use Lee press and dies. My expander isn't the same as the one on the right but I can adjust it to only slightly bell the case opening to start the bullet. With 230 grain led round nose and 26 grain of h110 I had no bullet movement. I did crimp into the led cause there's no canilure. | |||
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I have experimented a lot with the 45colt and for my guns in that caliber I couldn't get any that liked anything accuracy wise less than 250grs. Another thing you can try for a little more neck tension is size the case with a 44mag die just down enough and no more than the part of the bullet that goes in the case. If velocity was what I was after I'd try a 454. Big holes and lots of speed, and even the 460 screams. Good luck on your search, let us know what you find. "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence,try orderin' someone else's dog around" unknown cowboy | |||
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