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Commonwealth medal hero Mick Gault is forced to train extensively abroad because of British gun laws introduced after the Dunblane massacre.

Should gun laws be relaxed to allow sporting shooters to train in Britain?

Yes
No

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Couldn't vote for some reason- but YES. Sport pistols in .22 and .32 pose no public danger. Don Heath. Harare Zimbabwe

Don, I disagree with you entirely. NO gun poses a public danger. Criminals and unstable people DO! You can't regulate peoples minds and thoughts, but to remove a law abiding persons right to defend their lives and the lives of their family and property is DEAD WRONG. Witness the surge in crime in England and Australia with the gun bans and you can't come to any other conclusion. From what I understand, if someone breaks into your home in England and threatens you, if you shoot them, YOU go to jail. The best welcome mat to the criminal ever conceived by the liberals! Even I might be enticed to into a life of crime if I lived there. I might get my hand slapped but the poor soul I was robbing couldn't touch me. What a GREAT place to live!
The same thing here in the good old USA. The citys with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest crime rates. Prisons have rotating doors because you dare not be too hard on criminals. They have more rights then the victim. As bad as saying a terrorist can not be tortured or killed for killing innocents.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but criminals should be strung up or shot as they do their business. Crime would then go away.
We have a solution over here, sue the gun maker for a criminals acts. The liberals just can't be stopped, can they.

rearm all law abiding citizens to protect themselves from the terrorists & criminals along with groups plotting against your gov't. NRA Life Member &CRPA member

I've got news for you Brits - until you collectively regenerate some balls and start shortening some political careers, all the polling in the world isn't going to help you.

200 years ago you people were kicking ass around the globe - what the hell happened?

Akalinin is exactly correct. Its a mistake to go hat in hand to people like Tony Blair. That is what Canadians used to do. Doesn't work.

Power only respects power.

Got to identify possible swing ridings where the Labour party is weak and use any money and votes you can muster to swing votes there.

The Country Sports Alliance got together a mob of 650,000. You likely still have the numbers.

Concentrate all your force where they are weak and the voting in the riding can be made to swing-don't waste your money and energy in ridings where they are strong.

Immitate von Clausewitz. It works. You will have Tony Blair out there on the practical pistol(gunfighting) range both shooting and lobbying on your behalf before you know it.

The only thing democratic politicians know how to do is count heads. The fewer heads in the Labour party benches the more polite and friendly they will get.



VBR,


Ted Gorsline

Hello;
Had a chuckle at Don Heaths comment. Those are exactly what the Canadian government would have us believe are the biggest danger and has severely limited them to the point that most of us can't own them.
Grizz

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Originally posted by Ted Gorsline:
Got to identify possible swing ridings where the Labour party is weak and use any money and votes you can muster to swing votes there.

The Country Sports Alliance got together a mob of 650,000. You likely still have the numbers.

Concentrate all your force where they are weak and the voting in the riding can be made to swing-don't waste your money and energy in ridings where they are strong.

Absolutely. This has been one of the NRA's stratagies. Very effective, too.

You will never bee able to defeat the big anti-gun cities/states (like New York & California), but you can surround them with enough pro-gun votes to effectively silence them.

The NRA and other pro-gun organizations have taken out some big fish, too. Look at where Tom Daschle (former senate majority leader) is today - booted out by a pro-gun candidate.

Here is a funny story about knocking off big political fish that might apply to Britain because it happened in Canada when the laws were much the same as they are in Britain.

In 1968 it became clear that Pierre Trudeau and the Liberal party was going to register and then confiscate firearms which they recently tried.

A bunch of us were wondering what to do and none of us knew anything about politics. They included Dan Thomey who owned Ontario Out of Doors Magazine, Bill Jones who started the National Firearms Association, Steve Thompson from a gun club in Orangevile, myself and a few others.

Danny was really the spark plug and the guy who came up with all the good ideas. First of all we needed money so Danny started the "Proud to be a Hunter Fund" with his magazine. He sold "Proud to be a Hunter "badges for $5 each and the money poured in. We had an instant war chest.

Then Bill Jones got hold of his contacts in every Canadian province and they dug up all the horror stories where the police had broken into people's homes in search of guns and botched the job. Beat people up. That kind of thing.

I wrote the stories and Danny laid out the pages of a newspaper called "Canadian Hunter and Shooter News." We only published one edition.

It had to be a newspaper for legal reasons. Newspapers can editorialize for or against political parties the day before an election while magazines could not so Danny could not use his magazine.

We chose to torpedo Ross Milne, a bag man and then president of the Liberal Party of Canada, who was based in Orangeville north of Toronto. He was handy and he was a big wheel.

In fact it was a mistake because he was in a strong position. He had won his last election by more than 10,000 votes. But we didn't know anything about strategic voting like the NRA does. We could have had alot more influence than we did if we had known what we were doing and gone after a bunch of ridings where the Liberals were weak.

Danny analysed the riding and realized there were alot of Italians and they are big hunters. So he printed 50,000 copies of Hunter and Shooter News in English and had 25,000 copied printed in Italian.

Steve Thompson and his friends from the Orangeville gun club distributed them - one copy at a time to every home in Orangeville the night before the election.

The next day Ross Milne was blown out of the water. He lost by 10,000 votes, a swing of 20,000 in one riding. It was just unbelieveable.

The Toronto newspapers were shocked but none of them knew what had happened. It was then that I realized the power of the press and that you don't have to sit back and take crap from anybody in a democracy.

I still have an original copy of "Canadian Hunter and Shooter News" and every time I see it it makes me laugh. Some day I will frame it. I know for sure what worked on Ross Milne will work on Tony Blair but I have been too busy ever since making a living to do anything more about it.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline

Yes, but also fire the those in the House of Commons and House of Lords that voted for all of this namby-pamby crap that took all of your gun rights in the first place.

No offense, and I certainly sympathize with my British shooting friends, but an Internet poll open to people outside Britain can't be worth spit in terms of influencing anyone with any sense. I see these on the forums all the time, but cannot see the point. Anyone actually using such suspect and uncontrolled results to formulate policy should be shot, er, stabbed with an unregistered butter knife.

Easy there BFRSHOOTER.

Don Heath is the editor of African Hunter magazine and is not commenting with regard to caliber. I have an article of his wherein he describes carrying a 41 mag in a gym pack on the back of a motorcycle.

The guys born in Rhodesia stay there because it is home. Zimbabwe came later. Harare used to be named Salisbury.