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Crawfish, did you have a problem with the CPB's, or are the Beartooth's that much better?

RCHAPURA, that Lyman 275 is a great mold, too bad they discontinued it.

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Originally posted by X-Ring:
Just wondering what you folks are using to stop game.
I personaly have gone to a 215gr swc for my 41 mag, from National, and found I like the results. I like having a bleeding wound on both sides. Not that I have ever had to track one after hitting them with that load.
What are you using to shoot game?

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Good Elk and bear load.

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Originally posted by BigBores:
335 gr GC from CPB in my Anaconda 45 Long Colt. 1250 fps with H110. Fun load, makes your hand tingle after a cyl full. Not many volunteers to shoot it at the range, which is fine by me.

Good Elk and bear load.

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While weight and velocity of the bullet is important Its been my experience that its how the bullet performs or I should say "deforms" inside the target...SJHP bullets in the 240 to 280Gr range set up a wobbling effect or "cavitation" at the hole of entrance so while a great amount of energy is imparted to the target from the expanding bullet a like amount of radial laterial energy is added to the shock by the "wobbling" bullet down thru the wound cavity causing a great amount of tissue destruction perpendicular to the wound channel...Pieces of tissue "splashback" from the exit hole is a good indication that the bullet was wobbling while creating the wound track.

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Originally posted by RCHAPURA:
Neil you wouldn't be that old retired military man I bought the shooting jacket from

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Sorry but its not me...though I am pretty old...

While I don't neccesarily disagree with you, I have never had good luck with jacketed hollowpoints driven hard (fast) into tough targets, like elk. I have had Sierra's and Hornady's come apart way to early in the tissue path.

I like the ability of the hardcast flat noses to penetrate deeply, and I'm not really looking for expansion. A .45 diameter hole is wide enough if you put it through the right spot. Plenty of space for bleeding, and I like exit holes.

In my humble opinion, expansion is counter productive in real handgun calibers (ie, not short rifles like Encore, Contender, etc.). The velocity is already limited, as the bullet expands, it sheds velocity like hitting the brakes in a car. I don't want the car to stop before it hits the heart/vitals. As for energy transfer issues, the wide flat nose will also transfer energy, only over a longer, deeper wound channel. I fully realize that this is debatable, but it's my opinion.

I like the wide flat nose style of the CPB's for tissue cutting and energy transfer. I do not use round nose or SWC style bullets.

I switched to hardcast years ago, before Noslers, etc. were availible, but what I have seems to work for me so I don't feel motivated to change it.

I have used the listed load to kill 2 elk. Both met quick ends. I consider myself very fortunate that I have never had to try them on bear. It is a last resort bear medicine. My first choice will always be a large rifle if I have any say in the matter.

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Originally posted by BigBores:
Neil,

While I don't neccesarily disagree with you, I have never had good luck with jacketed hollowpoints driven hard (fast) into tough targets, like elk. I have had Sierra's and Hornady's come apart way to early in the tissue path.

I like the ability of the hardcast flat noses to penetrate deeply, and I'm not really looking for expansion. A .45 diameter hole is wide enough if you put it through the right spot. Plenty of space for bleeding, and I like exit holes.

In my humble opinion, expansion is counter productive in real handgun calibers (ie, not short rifles like Encore, Contender, etc.). The velocity is already limited, as the bullet expands, it sheds velocity like hitting the brakes in a car. I don't want the car to stop before it hits the heart/vitals. As for energy transfer issues, the wide flat nose will also transfer energy, only over a longer, deeper wound channel. I fully realize that this is debatable, but it's my opinion.

I like the wide flat nose style of the CPB's for tissue cutting and energy transfer. I do not use round nose or SWC style bullets.

I switched to hardcast years ago, before Noslers, etc. were availible, but what I have seems to work for me so I don't feel motivated to change it.

I have used the listed load to kill 2 elk. Both met quick ends. I consider myself very fortunate that I have never had to try them on bear. It is a last resort bear medicine. My first choice will always be a large rifle if I have any say in the matter.

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I agree that hollowpoints in large calibers at revolver velocities do come apart way too fast....I've always filled my hollowpoint loads with a mix of 80o/o lead and 20o/o tin....though not hard casted...the now somewhat solid "hollowpoint" seems to hold together thru the target and exits only about 60o/o expanded...but fully intact most of the time....as for large bear I'll take at least a 375H&H everytime.. or at real close range "where an attack is most likely to happen"...I feel that a 12 gauge 3" shell loaded with 000 buckshot would handle the encounter very well...however my "pack gun" is a Ruger mk2 even in bear country..