i'm trying to find jacketed solids for a 44 can't use hard cast i'm shooting them out of a desert eagle

Can't you use any jacketed bullet? If not look a Barnes bullet or Rainier LeadSafe. Midway USA has them.
http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/brandlisting

I use Nosler bullets in my LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag with no feed problems.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
Can't you use any jacketed bullet? If not look a Barnes bullet or Rainier LeadSafe. Midway USA has them.
http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/brandlisting

I use Nosler bullets in my LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag with no feed problems.

Claude, what you are lokking for is the Belt Mountain Punch bullet.


Belt Mountain Enterprises Inc.

P.O. Box 3202, Bozeman, MT 59772

Phone 406-388-1396


Redhawk1, he can't use a cast bullet in the Desert Eagle because the lube clods the gas ports.... The Barnes bullets aren't a solid.

jwp,

That would be some expensive shooting indeed. I think he would be better served by using a bullet such as the Speer bullets. The jacket is plated on as I understand it and should function with no problem.

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:
Can't you use any jacketed bullet? If not look a Barnes bullet or Rainier LeadSafe. Midway USA has them.
http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/brandlisting

I use Nosler bullets in my LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag with no feed problems.

Claude, what you are lokking for is the Belt Mountain Punch bullet.


Belt Mountain Enterprises Inc.

P.O. Box 3202, Bozeman, MT 59772

Phone 406-388-1396


Redhawk1, he can't use a cast bullet in the Desert Eagle because the lube clods the gas ports.... The Barnes bullets aren't a solid.

JWP even though Barnes bullets are not a solid, they will feed in a Desert Eagle, I know, I used to have one.

The lead safe bullets feature a lead core that is completely covered by copper plating. Which will also function in the Desert Eagle.
Any thing else you want to know???

Using Punch bullets for every day shooting would be extremely expensive, there are cheaper alternatives.

Yup, those Punch bullets are debilitatingly expensive! I really wonder if they are that expensive to produce in the first place........

Any jacketed bullet will work, doesn't matter at all. My friend shoots all kinds without a hitch.
The only thing to watch is not to load too light, loads need to be fairly heavy to operate the action.

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Originally posted by MS Hitman:
jwp,

That would be some expensive shooting indeed. I think he would be better served by using a bullet such as the Speer bullets. The jacket is plated on as I understand it and should function with no problem.

Speer will also work, I use them also in my LAR Grizzly and the feed just fine.

When I had my Desert Eagle I use quit a few different bullets in the 44 Mag without feed problems or clogging the ports. Most jacketed soft point bullets worked just fine. The Rainier LeadSafe are as close to a solid as you are going to get without spending a bundle.

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Originally posted by claude:
i'm trying to find jacketed solids for a 44 can't use hard cast i'm shooting them out of a desert eagle

The post asked specifficaly for a Jacketed solid bullet.

For general shooting of coures he can use any jacketed bullet, but that is not what he asked..

The Punch Bullet is definitely expensive, but it is the only jacketed solid that I am aware of.

Maybe everyone should just quit responding seeing how you know everything about everything. Do you think this is the JWP handgun section? Could it be this is why I have a problem with you on this site, you have to be the resident know it all. Always trying to find a reason to make yourself look good.
Seeing how I have experience with this specific handgun I thought I would help him out, without having to buy the most expensive bullet made out there..

Also maybe he was looking for a solid meaning a non hollow point.

claude, what exactly are you looking for, target bullets, hunting bullets. What do you consider solid bullets?

claude did ask for jacketed solids in his original post. jwp did bring up the punch bullets; they are the only solid jacketed bullet I am aware of in this caliber.

redhawk, I think you are correct in asking claude what his intended purpose for the bullets, I don't know but what he might not know what to ask for.

Let's all take a step back and not take this too seriously.

MS Hitman, you are right, but some people I know think anything that is not a hollow point is a solid. He did mention hard cast bullets in his post, so I assumed he was like some of the guys I shoot with, that call hard cast bullets solids.

Now all's we need is for the original poster to come back and clear it up for us.

True, he never told us the reason for a solid or just what he meant by solid.
My take was anything other then cast but without a hollow point.

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Originally posted by bfrshooter:
True, he never told us the reason for a solid or just what he meant by solid.
My take was anything other then cast but without a hollow point.

Hence the Punch bullet.......

The punch bullet is still not a real solid as compared to a Barnes Solid for rifles. The bunch bullet has a lead core and a very small hollow point.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/make_111405/index1.html

Most solids for big-bore rifles, like Hornadys, Woodleighs, Trophy Bonded Sledgehammers, etc., are lead core bullets and considered solids. They are not mono-metal, but they are considered to be solid, non-expanding bullets.

Like Corbon's Penetrator bullets, there is a little hole, but it is not an expanding bullet nor was it designed to be an expanding bullet.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Most solids for big-bore rifles, like Hornadys, Woodleighs, Trophy Bonded Sledgehammers, etc., are lead core bullets and considered solids. They are not mono-metal, but they are considered to be solid, non-expanding bullets.

Like Corbon's Penetrator bullets, there is a little hole, but it is not an expanding bullet nor was it designed to be an expanding bullet.

I totally understand that. I understand the concept of a non expanding bullet completely. That is why my question to the original poster.

The only true solid bullet is a Barnes solid made for rifles, because they do not have any lead core. There may be others but I can't think of them right off hand.

Also the Barnes XPB bullets is very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding. Weight retention is almost 100 percent as long as one of the peddles does not come off.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Most solids for big-bore rifles, like Hornadys, Woodleighs, Trophy Bonded Sledgehammers, etc., are lead core bullets and considered solids. They are not mono-metal, but they are considered to be solid, non-expanding bullets.

Like Corbon's Penetrator bullets, there is a little hole, but it is not an expanding bullet nor was it designed to be an expanding bullet.

I totally understand that. I understand the concept of a non expanding bullet completely. That is why my question to the original poster.

The only true solid bullet is a Barnes solid made for rifles, because they do not have any lead core. There may be others but I can't think of them right off hand.

Also the Barnes XPB bullets is very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding. Weight retention is almost 100 percent as long as one of the peddles does not come off.

It appears that the concept of a solid and a monon metal bullet is being confused here.

The Barnes pistol bullets are mono metal and are definately not a solid.
Any bullet designed to not expand is to be considered a solid. A proper hard cast bullet is more a solid than an expanding bullet.
For some obscure reason the ATF will not allow a Mono Metal Solid to be manufactured for Hndguns and almost ruled against the Barnes XPB bullets until Barnes was able to demimstrate that they were indeed an expamding bullet. The GS Custom all Copper Flat Point Solid will expand a little if driven fast enougfh and encounters enough resistence


When the original poster asked for a jacketed solid and mentioned the inability to shoot hard cast, I took that to mean that he wanted a flat point solid (like a hard cast) to ensure adequate penetration on large heavy game with his pistol.. I assume that he is well aware that any jacketed bullet will function adequately in the Desert Eagle

A few recovered hard cast bullets and one recovered Punch Bullet

I still believe the original poster was looking for a jacketed bullet instead of a cast that would foul the ports with lube and one that would feed.
Strange he never came back!

sorry to cause so much confusion I was looking for a solid for a 44mag not just jacketed. for bear spray I wont be shooting a lot of them hopefully so i'll try to get some of those punch bullets thanks for all your replies

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Most solids for big-bore rifles, like Hornadys, Woodleighs, Trophy Bonded Sledgehammers, etc., are lead core bullets and considered solids. They are not mono-metal, but they are considered to be solid, non-expanding bullets.

Like Corbon's Penetrator bullets, there is a little hole, but it is not an expanding bullet nor was it designed to be an expanding bullet.

I totally understand that. I understand the concept of a non expanding bullet completely. That is why my question to the original poster.

The only true solid bullet is a Barnes solid made for rifles, because they do not have any lead core. There may be others but I can't think of them right off hand.

Also the Barnes XPB bullets is very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding. Weight retention is almost 100 percent as long as one of the peddles does not come off.

It appears that the concept of a solid and a monon metal bullet is being confused here.

The Barnes pistol bullets are mono metal and are definately not a solid.
Any bullet designed to not expand is to be considered a solid. A proper hard cast bullet is more a solid than an expanding bullet.
For some obscure reason the ATF will not allow a Mono Metal Solid to be manufactured for Hndguns and almost ruled against the Barnes XPB bullets until Barnes was able to demimstrate that they were indeed an expamding bullet. The GS Custom all Copper Flat Point Solid will expand a little if driven fast enougfh and encounters enough resistence


When the original poster asked for a jacketed solid and mentioned the inability to shoot hard cast, I took that to mean that he wanted a flat point solid (like a hard cast) to ensure adequate penetration on large heavy game with his pistol.. I assume that he is well aware that any jacketed bullet will function adequately in the Desert Eagle

I don't think you actually take the time to read and understand peoples posts. I think all of us knew exactly what a solid bullet is and what a expanding bullet is.

Read my post carefully and you will see I said and I quote " Barnes XPB bullets very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding."

In my opinion the Barnes pistol bullets do a great job, they punch through both sides of every animal I have ever shot with them.

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Originally posted by claude:
sorry to cause so much confusion I was looking for a solid for a 44mag not just jacketed. for bear spray I wont be shooting a lot of them hopefully so i'll try to get some of those punch bullets thanks for all your replies

Let us know how you make out in your quest.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Redhawk1:

1-I don't think you actually take the time to read and understand peoples posts.[B] I think all of us knew exactly what a solid bullet is and what a expanding bullet is.

Read my post carefully and you will see I said and I quote [B]2- " Barnes XPB bullets very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding."
In my opinion the Barnes pistol bullets do a great job, the punch through both sides of every animal I have ever shot with them.[Quote/]

1-1-I read and comprehended exactly what you said.
2- You are correct, I do not understand how you can say that a Barnes XPB pistol bullet (A Hollow point) is like a solid, as the hollow point is designed to expand and the the solid is designed to not expand. Not close to the same thing

You are just plain stupid JWP. I did not say they are like a solid.
Read it again... You don't comprehended crap. Oh I forgot you just have to be right all the time, I am done even trying to have any kind of interaction with you. You just proved stupid is incurable. George was right about you. Please ignore my posts in the future, because I will be ignoring yours. You are the only one here on my ignore list as of today.

[Quote] by Redhawk1
Read my post carefully and you will see I said and I quote " Barnes XPB bullets very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding." [Quote/]

Those are your words...

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You are just plain stupid JWP. [Quote]

With no facts on your side that was your only option. When all else fails resort to the person insults, yea that'll make you right..

I'll let the record speak for itself....

redhawk1,

Why start up with the personal attacks? Why call someone stupid when they are using your own words.

Put whomever you want to on your ignore list, it'll probably cut down on the arguments. However, if the personal attacks do not cease, you'll need to find somewhere else to get mad. If this is too much for you, I'm here to help you help you achieve this goal.

MS Hitman, JWP just looks for ways to get into pissing contests with me.
If you read my whole statement you will see I did not say that Barnes bullets are solids.
He is like a politician, just pick small portions of a statement to make it fit his argument.

What did I miss in my Statement?
" Barnes XPB bullets very close to a solid, I am not saying it is a solid, except it has a hollow point and very fine cuts to aid in expanding."

Also, when I seen JWP personally attacking George you NEVER said one word to him.
Do you select certain people to single out here?

But don't worry, as far a JWP is concerned, I will not be responding to any of his posts.

redhawk,

That's great! That will cut down on the arguments on the board.

In George's first post that I'm aware of at least, he came in telling pretty much everyone involved with the thread how stupid they are. Things just went downhill from there and if I'm not mistaken; George was the one that started the personal attacks. I didn't say anything about those until it just got way out of hand. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'd cool off a bit. This did not happen and DRG finally had to step in.

On second thought, you just probably need to move to another site or forum.

Naw I like it here.

Well then act like it.

OK...

claude

jwp475 is correct. The Mountain Punch bullet is your best choice for a "solid" in your 44 semi-auto.

I did some looking and research about solids for handguns when preparing for a hunt in Zimbabwe.

At one time Barnes made monometal solids for handguns, but had to discontinue them because of the "handgun armour penetrating laws".

That is why the Mountain Belt Punch, has a certain amount of lead in its construction, and the small amount of lead exposed at the nose.

It complies with the Law.

I have a serious question to ask without any testosterone bleeding out: If a bullet has "some lead in it", how is that considered a "solid"?

Any bullet that is not designed to expand is considered a solid. I would imagine that the term solid dates back to the turn of the century (actually the one before this last one), with "solid" bullets used on big African DG where penetration is paramount. It is simply meant to maintain its form and not expand. So, the term predates the creation of the mono-metal bullet by a very long time (relatively speaking). I think A-Square actually marketed the first mono-metal bullets, but I may be way off with all of this.

In article <2t6pdc$j3c@tadpole.fc.hp.com> dougj@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Doug Juhola) writes:
#Most 'Solids' are some sort of copper alloy. no lead at all.
#one exception that comes to mind is the Speer AGS. it has a
#steel insert.


The above two statements are not quite correct. In the US
there are four basic "solid" designs.

First, and most common, is the steel jacketed solid. This is the
type made and loaded by Remington and Winchester and marketed for
reloaders by Hornady. These have been around for years and years.
They use a steel jacket about 1/16th inch thick which is copper
clad both inside and out. The cladding is about 0.010 inch thick.
They have lead cores that are crimped in from the back.

Second, and one of the most recent designs, is the Speer African
Grand Slam solid. It uses a heavy copper alloy jacket with a Tungsten
slug as a core. Rather than the round nosed design used by the first
group of solids, the Speer uses the flat nose first seen on the Trophy
Bonded Sledgehammer.

Third is the Trophy Bonded bullet which again uses a heavy copper
alloy jacket with a lead core. Just like the Speer but with a lead
core instead of Tungsten. The TB Sledgehammer predates the Speer by
a number of years.

Fourth, and last as far as I know, is the monolithic solid which is
turned from a solid billet of some copper alloy. Thunderbird Cartridge
Corp. owns the patent for this design. They sell these under their own
name. But this design is also available from A-Square under the name
"Monolithic" solid and from Barnes under the name "Super Solid". The
Thunderbird and the A-Square products have a suspiciously similar shape
so they may be from the same producer. The Super Solid has a shape that
differs from the other two.

There is a fifth desgn but it does not qualify as a true "solid".
Barnes used to market a copper tubing based solid. The one end which
became the nose was closed but not really sealed. A lead core was inserted
and the the base was then also closed. The jacket thickness was limited
by the thickness of the available copper tubing. They used 0.049 inch
thick tubing. For many of the old British these were the only "solids"
still available. Their failing was that they were not reliable; they
were more suseptible to deforming by bending or rivetting.
http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/solid.html


A bullet is disclosed that includes a generally cylindrical outer jacket of copper base material having an inner cavity that is closed at one end to provide a solid nose for the bullet. The nose has a minimum longitudinal thickness that is equal to or greater than about 10% of the length of the bullet and a flat face symmetrically located with respect to and perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the bullet. The face covers at least thirty-five percent of the cross-sectional area of the bullet. The inner cavity of the outer jacket is filled with lead.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4750427.html

That is correct, it doesn't matter if it is hard lead, jacketed lead or all copper. As long as the bullet holds together and does not expand, it is a solid even though some rated as such can still upset. The term was used for a bullet that would penetrate for large dangerous game.

I would add that of the old school steel jacketed solids that were loaded by old time ammo manufacturer Kynoch, the Woodleigh solid duplictes their design most closely.

Thanks guys. I guess I'm older than I think. Growing up, a "solid" meant SOLID. Of course, Coke meant a soft drink, a "weed" grew in your lawn grass, and to be "gay" was a mood not a "lifestyle".

The solid bullet dates back to the late 1800s -- you're not that old, are you george?