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While Winchester 296 and Hodgen 110 (powder from the same vat, I believe) have been my go-to powders in this cartridge, Hodgen Lil Gun is showing promise. I've only loaded it with 240 gr XTP/Mag's (my go-to whitetail bullet), but so far accuracy is exceeding that of my best loads with the aforementioned powders. Also, I've not chrony'ed any of the loads yet, but listed velocities exceed 2000 fps with this bullet. Data also lists a 300 gr JFP @ 1750 and a 395 gr LFN @ 1330. I was wondering if anyone else had any experience here. Praise be to the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. | ||
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In my 454 Casull, I use H 110 and 2400. The only round I use Lil Gun in, is my 500 Mag and it works great with my bullets over 440 gr. The 440 gr. and under, I use either H 110 or W 296. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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I don't have a chart handy, what is the burn rate of Lil Gun as compared to 110? Slower I would think. Praise be to the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. | |||
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Actually is is a little faster than H 110 and W296. But slower than 2400. http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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For top end loads from 357 Mag up to and including to 475 Linebaugh I've yet to find anything better than H-110, W-296 _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Please tell me about heat in the larger bores! I tried Lil'Gun in the .357 and the barrel got so hot I could not touch it. 10 shots and it was a soldering iron. The stuff scares me! | |||
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Never experienced that in my 500 Mag. Yea the barrel gets hot, but not any more than it does when I use H 110. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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I tired it years ago in several calibers from .32 Mag to .454 Casull. I was not impressed with the velocities or accuracy I got out of it. Granted this was after it first came out, and performance may or may not be any better. I'll just stick with the H110 and WW296 for my top loads. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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its real hard on forcing cones. So bad in fact that FA will no longer warantee a gun that has used it. | |||
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The powder was designed for the .410 shotgun and has either a different coating to retard it or none at all. It burns HOT. | |||
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H-110/296 was also designed for the 410, in fact most of our favorite handgun powders were originaly designed for use in shotguns. That in and of itself isn't nessecarily a bad thing, but Lilgun has a checkerd past as a handgun powder and I see nothing and I repeat nothing wrong with H-110/296 as they are time tested and the gold standard for magnum loads in cartridges from 357 through and including the 475/480's _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Is this true? My forcing cone is well out of warranty, but I don't want to wear it out prematurely. I tried Lil Gun on a whim, but judging by everyones' posts, I think I'll stick with 110/296. Praise be to the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. | |||
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I need to get some just for winter , but I won,t use it when temps are above freezing .... H110 and 296 loose alot of velocity in the cold , I mean real cold ........ I won,t be shooting alot of it , but I don,t want to turn my 454 into a mild loaded 45 Colt just because it,s 30 below or colder .... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Sorry Gumboot458, but the flame temperature of a propellant and the speed that is produces are 2 seperate issues _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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JWP, I was not stressing the fact that Lil'Gun was designed for the .410, only that I think it is the best application for the stuff. In the few guns I tested the stuff in, accuracy was crap anyway. As far as H110 and 296 shooting slower in the cold, I don't know that for a fact. I do know it gets harder to light and needs a hotter primer in bitter cold. I never chronographed the stuff in super cold conditions. I still think proper case tension eliminates problems but have no way to test it because it doesn't get cold enough here. I never believe a whole lot of what I read anyway. My way is to test for myself. | |||
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Don't dissagree. I know that the loads with H110/296 loads all shots on Bison exited in 30 below wheather and despite Gumboot 458s need for speed is not a nessecity IMHO and experience No I did not chrono the loads, but the game didn't mind. Even the 325 grain 45 loads exited _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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i agree. Only place ive really seen it shine are in the 32mag and 3220
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Lil gun works great in the 500 Mag also. No accuracy problems at all. But my go to powder, and the powder I use fro 90% of my handguns is H 110. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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.... What are those bison made out of [ AIR ] ????  .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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