I'm looking at the 200 or 300 grain solids in .45 acp. Just wondering if the flat tips will cycle in a 1911.

Don't know about cutting edge bullets (300gr will not work in .45 ACP definitively), but have a look also at Lehigh Defense Xtreme penetrator (200gr). It cycles in my STI 2011 based pistol, in both .45 ACP and .460 Rowland.

Jiri

Depends on the gun 250 gr swc feed in my SR1911

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Originally posted by steel:
I'm looking at the 200 or 300 grain solids in .45 acp. Just wondering if the flat tips will cycle in a 1911.

Why would you want them in a 45 ACP? 300 CEB definatelt too long for a 45 ACP

To shot some hogs.

RCBS 200 SWC hard cast shows erratic feeding in my Colt; will feed OK in my Imbel; hard on the slide.

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Originally posted by steel:
To shot some hogs.

Don't need a mono metal for hogs in me experience in the 45 ACP. I shoot a 255 grain RNFP hard cast +P @ 960 FPS and it has more than enough penetration.

Its a sig sauer m1911 molon labe

Steel,

First, thanks for asking. I did not know CEB made the 200 grain 451 solid.

The 300 would almost certainly not work. With the length of the bullet, by the time you got it seated deep enough to fit the magazine, the base of the bullet would be so low in the case, that likely the lower bullet edge would be hitting the case web where it begins to thicken. This would likely result in a swelled case that would not fit the guns chamber.

I am speculating that your Sig 1911 feeds like a Colt 1911. The bottom of the bullet ogive hits the lower barrel ramp or feed ramp, then the cartridge top deflects off the top of the chamber/hood, all while the base of the cartridge "wiggles" under the extractor. This is why the shape of the bullet nose or ogive plays such a big role in feeding. SWC's tend to need to be on the short side. The 255 RNFP that JWP noted is a very easy feed in a 1911, due to the ogive of the bullet being well curved. The meplat of this bullet is not so wide as to affect the bullet bouncing between the bottom and top of the chamber, and the curved ogive is not a lot different than a 230 fmj, in shape. And in all of this timing, the shape and style of your magazine lips also play a role, as the design controls the release point of the base of the bullet.

With that said, the CEB 200 looks kinda promising. I think I am definitely gonna have to give them a look. The meplat looks pretty wide, so this might mean deep seating (for the magazine), much like any of the swc's in a 1911. The bullets looks short enough that the deep seating might not be an issue with the case web. The ogive looks to be more tapered in profile than the RNFP noted above, so only testing would reveal.

And all of this assumes anyone reloading these type of solid bullets (long for weight, as compared to a lead bullet of similar weight) that deeper seating will greatly affect pressures in the case, and that any bullet shape that is on the edge of feeding correctly runs a very high risk of bullet setback, and big spikes in pressure.

I run a 1911 45 Super with a comp, and I would love to find a bullet like this in all copper or plated that will help with lead deposits in the bottom of my comp. I have good luck with plated 250's, but the meplats on the bullets that I have found tend to be smaller than what this CEB 200 looks like.

Craig

There are application where the CEB flat point would be advantageous, such as taking brain shots on elephant with a big bore revolver. The 45 ACP and pigs donot require a mono metal bullet. The ACP velocity will not over tax a quality hard cast and the 230 XTP out of the 45 ACP has taken hogs reliably. The mono metal Bullets are rather expensive.

If one wants to use them any way, then go far it they will work.

steel:

If you are still interested in monometal bullets in .45 ACP, look at this one:

I have not loaded CEB in handgun ctgs yet.

I have loaded them and am very satisfied in 22Hornet, 223, 257, 308, 300 and 338 RUM, 350 RemMag, 375, 416, 458, and 600.

Knowing how these bullets perform you owe it to yourself to try the 150gr HG Raptor. I think you will be pleasantly surprised how it destroys pigs.

Andy B

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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:
I have not loaded CEB in handgun ctgs yet.

I have loaded them and am very satisfied in 22Hornet, 223, 257, 308, 300 and 338 RUM, 350 RemMag, 375, 416, 458, and 600.

Knowing how these bullets perform you owe it to yourself to try the 150gr HG Raptor. I think you will be pleasantly surprised how it destroys pigs.

Andy B

You have taken pigs with the 150 HG Raptor?

Thanks for the info guys. I ordered some and will test them out and let you guys know how it went.

Very interesting topic. I'm thinking about putting together a 460 Rowland . The potential targets are grizzly, brown and black bear . And possibly moose. .

Cold Trigger Finger

This is mine:

Hope I will add Aimpoint T-2 in near future. Now using with open sights and without mount mostly with .45 ACP barrel for target shooting/fun.

Jiri

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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:
I think you will be pleasantly surprised how it destroys pigs.

Andy B

I think this is ill advised. That bullet is just too light and by the time it sheds its petals you are stuck with a .45 caliber 100-grain stub of a bullet with little momentum. There are definitely better choices in a handgun IMHO.

I've done a lot of deer with 200 gr. Hornady XTPs, 200 gr. H&G SWCs. Both do very well. Can't turn a .45 ACP in to a .454!

Jiri; That looks real good . could u post a pic of a loaded 460 Rowland next to an ACP ?
What load in 460 R are u running ?
I got some LongShot as that is the only powder Hodgdon's lists. I would like to find a 300+ gr bullet for it. Tho the Lehigh Penetrator is available.

Cold Trigger Finger:

I load and tested many different bullets:

Left to right:
Ares RN FP 200gr, Ares RN FP 250gr, Speer TMJ 185gr, S&B FMJ 230gr, Hornady FMJ-FP 230gr, Hornady XTP 230gr, Sierra JHP Sportmaster 185gr, Sierra FPJ Match 200gr, Lehigh CF 170gr a Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator 200gr

Ares are bullets made in Slovakia, just coated lead cast bullets.

Some loads I developed with powders available here: https://docs.google.com/spread...gjM/edit?usp=sharing

All loads chronographed (if not stated something else). Still waiting for delivery of IMR 800-X powder.

This is not my own photo, but it is comparison .45 ACP to .460 Rowland:


Jiri

BTW check this thread: http://forums.accuratereloadin...2911043/m/6781072812

CTF,

You did not specify what platform you are thinking, but if magazine fed, the magazine will control the OAL. This means anything above 250 grains more or less, will get the base of the bullet deeper in the case than a 230. Anything in the 300 grain class, is going to be insanely deep, and if .452 in diameter, you will be fighting case bulge at the bottom of the bullet. In the 1911, this a very tricky proposition. The Glock guys have had better luck.

I have been working with Longshot for about 16 years in the Rowland (a few in the Super) and it is a good powder, to start with. Pressures are very uniform, I never saw weird spikes when playing with very heavy bullets and you have pressure data from hodgdon for Super through Rowland, to help a new relaoder to the round. A good choice.

Craig

I believe 250-260 gr bullet is reasonable max in 460 Rowland.

It will be a G21 , Gen 3 SF. The only reason I'm interested in the 460 R is I can put it in a Glock. I like Glocks.
Thank you for the links. I'll check them out. I've kinda come to the conclusion that 250-255 gr is the max I can go. But, it should have a margin over the 10 mm , 220 gr TC hard cast. Especially if it runs well at 1300. But even at 1200 It has more meplate diameter.