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When hunting big game with a handgun (Elk & larger) why would anyone choose a light for caliber projectile? The heavy per caliber boolit will do anything and every thing that a light boolit will do and much more. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | ||
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So what would that weight be in a 38 Special????  | |||
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Let's save the 38 Special for Deer hunting  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Yo, Old School, time to cut back on the Hoppes! Have you no glossy full color ammo catalogues where you come from? Light for caliber jacketed bullets with pointy plastic nosecones are the fashizzle! Trajectory charts and kinetic energy are the beginning and the end of this conversation. X-frames, Baby, now we're talkin'! Cartridges as big as your thumb...but with nosecones! Gotta have them pointy plastic nosecones. Dude, you know it's true. Nope, talk to the hand...  | |||
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Step away from the crack pipe!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Around here, we use the glossy ammo catalogs for those who just can't or just will not learn any better. These rags aren't even any good for wiping, which is about all kinetic energy is good for. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Can I get an amen?! Hitman -- kinetic energy isn't even good enough for a wipe...... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Hey Marko, post the movie of the water jugs. | |||
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Post it on the Alaska site about penetration too. | |||
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Plastic & rubber nosed bullets? The fishing lures never stop, do they? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Fishing lures or chew toys for the dog?  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Chew toys!
I had a cross-breed Boxer years ago. Got home from a match, set the gear down at the door, headed out to the workshop to clean the pistols -- got back inside to see the dog finishing off a box of .45acp! All that was left was a ragged corner of the box and a few cartridges in different states of distress. The rest of it had passed the jowels and was in the dog. I steered clear of the back yard for the next two or three days... Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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That's funny, Tinker!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Another case of life being stranger than fiction! After all, the dog (I've met sacks of rocks that had more sense than that dog) was totally unaffected. Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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a 38? good for prairie dogs. | |||
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OK then,what about a 9MM?????  | |||
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Whitetail deer...so long as the bullet has a pointy plastic (or rubber gummybear) nosecone!!! | |||
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On a serious note, in the Annals of History, many more problems in game killing have been with light weight for calibre expanding bullets, giving not enough penetration. This is true for rifles as well as handguns. Having enough penetration is the most important thing, the bigger hole you make the better.... IF you have enough penetration.... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Truer words have not been spoken! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I want to shoot a deer with my Chinese pellet gun! If I shoot from 3 feet at the head, I might hit the tail soooo, if I aim at the tail, I might hit the head. At least I might kill a tick. But just maybe I can make a 600 gr pellet. Hey the gun cost me $6! | |||
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BFRS- I suggest you just let the deer chew on the air rifle! Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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Who would a thunk??????Learn sumpin every day!!!!  | |||
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+1........... _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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YOu can have too much of a good thing:  | |||
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Look at the meplat on the one on the left! "It ain't lion hunting unless you get stitches." - John in WYO "It became aquatic, briefly." Ann ~ Aspen Hill Adventures The bear has to touch you to hurt you. Don’t let the bear touch you. | |||
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Mine's bigger.......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Whitworth, Who put the Bisley-style grip on your BFR? | |||
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It's not a BFR. That's a prototype D-Max frame (what the first BFRs were based on), and it was built from top to bottom by Jack Huntington. The frame itself had no grip frame when he took delivry. It's in .50 Alaskan, and it bites (just ask MS Hitman and jwp475)! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I owned that revolver for a number of years and yes the recoil is double of a 475 Linebaugh with 420 grainers at 1400 FPS. When Jack recieved the frame there were no holes for screws, trigger, hammer or anything for that matter. A 525 grain bullet at almost 1600 fps does indeed kick _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Nah, it has a red plastic nosecone on it that disappears against the background. | |||
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Great you posted that. I've never been a big fan of the long cylinder, but, I could learn;-) Would you be kind enough to give me primer on the gun? What loads, etc.? What does it weigh? What do you carry it with, when you hunt? Do you think the 45-70 version is practical for hunting? Every played with one? Do you also find that with serious loads, and I mean over 45 ft lbs of recoil, the Bisley grip isn't all that great? Jack knows his stuff, and, I REALLY like the extended grip frames he makes for BFRS, with custom grips. Better fits my hands then the Bisley. So, let me get this straight: Jack built the long cylinder BFR before they ever had a patent to produce it? By the way, that metplat is a cup point. If it was me, I might even run a drill down it, make it a hollow point, and lower the weight a bit more, to say something lightweight, like 690 grains;-) | |||
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Hello Greg! We haven't started playing with loads yet, so I have scant information. With Buffalo Bore's 525 grain loads, it runs right at 1,575 fps, we calculates out to about 125 ft-lbs of recoil energy. The gun is pretty light for its size. It's Jack's grip frame an not a Bisley, and fits my hands pretty well. It was the first gun of its kind that Jack built and has since then built about a dozen. The .45/70 BFR that our own bfrshooter has is probably the most accurate reolver I have ever had the pleasure of shooting. Hell, bfrshooter got a deer the other day when we were out hunting. It's a great shooter despite its size! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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WOW! My recoil calculations put me at 52 ft lbs with the 525's at 1350 fps. I guess that shows that in that range, a couple hundred feet per second is HUGE>!!! HAPPY THANKSGIVING, and, things are finally looking up. What does the gun weigh? Can't be lighter then 3.6 pounds, loaded with 525's... | |||
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Greg, it's lighter than the full-sized BFR...... Recoil calculators also take into account the powder charge. BY the way, that's a beautiful revolver you've got there Greg! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Thanks Marko I just loaded up 300 grain Hawk thin jacketed bullets for some sane shooting, with about 30 grains of 4227, thanks to Jack. Andy also has some 350 grain lead bullets at 1350 fps, a perfect plinking round for the gun, even if it's in the .510 GNR. The original owner had some 525's at 1550 fps, IIRC. I ran recoil numbers, and it was in the 80-85 ft lb range. Too much for me. | |||
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