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500 S&W 5" v. 8"

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03 September 2009, 00:23
Aglifter
500 S&W 5" v. 8"
I really like the caliber, currently a friend of mine has an 8", I have a 4". For hunting purposes, would there really be much benefit to an 8" over a 5" John Ross?


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03 September 2009, 00:52
bfrshooter
The .500 is a large case that holds a lot of slow powder. The longest barrel would be the better choice.
03 September 2009, 00:55
analog_peninsula
I have a BFR with a 6.5 inch barrel. I bought it because it was a good deal; otherwise I probably would have bought one with a longer barrel for the reason mentioned above.

That out of the way, I really like the gun a great deal and wouldn't change anything now that I've got it. I think the length issue is largely theoretical assuming the particular firearm that you buy doesn't have known barrel length quirks.


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03 September 2009, 01:02
Whitworth
Well what do you plan to do with it? That should help determine the optimal barrel length as much as anything else.



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03 September 2009, 02:27
jeffeosso
since my 3rd shot with a 500 nearly always misses, can i get a 2 shoot with a 4" barrel?

at 4# with a clamshell brake?


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03 September 2009, 02:50
Peter
With the variety of powders available now, I would doubt whether an 8" barrel would produce significantly greater velocity than a 5" barrel suitably loaded with faster powders.
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03 September 2009, 04:28
Tyler Kemp
I have no first hand experience myself, but I've been told no matter the barrel length, the same powder will always provide highest speeds.


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03 September 2009, 04:57
jeffeosso
Tyler
that's not always true .. slow powders do better with long barrels .. fast powders USUALLY do better with shorter barrels.

that's not a rule of thumb to remember ...

in rifles, h335 give great performance in>22" barrels .. but aint bad in longer barrels

but win760 or rel15 CAN go faster in a longer barrel...


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What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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03 September 2009, 15:07
Grumulkin
Even an 8 inch barrel isn't close to being "long." As barrels get shorter, there is a greater loss of velocity per inch of shortening but, in a 500 S&W Magnum which has so much power (more than would be required for 95% of hunting), I would be just as happy with a 4 inch barrel as with an 8 inch barrel though my preference would be a 5 inch barrel

At least for me, 5 to 6 inch barrels make the gun easier to carry especially when one has to sit with one on with the gun in a belt holster. I think the 500 S&W Magnums with the 2 inch barrels are just plain stupid (sorry if I offend someone who loves them).
03 September 2009, 16:51
Whitworth
Again, I think the use is going to have to be the determining factor. How many of you have handled, let alone carried an 8-inch X-frame in the field? That's a whole lotta gun.



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03 September 2009, 17:38
Wink
If I were going to be carrying a rifle, and the revolver was to be a sidearm in a belt holster, for backup use or for those instances when I don't have the rifle on me, I would pick the short barrel.


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03 September 2009, 17:59
Whitworth
quote:
Originally posted by Wink:
If I were going to be carrying a rifle, and the revolver was to be a sidearm in a belt holster, for backup use or for those instances when I don't have the rifle on me, I would pick the short barrel.


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04 September 2009, 01:31
x-caliber
quote:
Originally posted by Wink:
If I were going to be carrying a rifle, and the revolver was to be a sidearm in a belt holster, for backup use or for those instances when I don't have the rifle on me, I would pick the short barrel.

I would pick short barrel for this situation too, but it wouldn't be a short-barreled .500 S&W! Big Grin
04 September 2009, 04:24
DuggaBoye
I had 2, the first year(2003) 8 3/8"
(will probably sell)
and the now discontinued 2 3/4".

The long barrel I bought as a hunter.
The shorty was my "get off me" gun for up close.
( owned for 2 years sold recently)

I want the 4" 460 as a replacement for both, more ammo choices, if you loose ammo,.45LC, ,. 454, ,.460.

(yes ,I like the 500 and I hand load for the it , but the 460 wasn't around when I bought my first)


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04 September 2009, 05:02
Aglifter
Thanks for the input. I really like the way an 8" feels, and I'm sure it's nice to shoot -- mainly I want it to go pig hunting... I'll try shooting my 4" side by side w. the 8" and see if there's much difference to me.

What I really want is an honest 4" barreled version of my 4"...
Eh, if wishes were horses, etc...


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07 September 2009, 12:57
gumboot458
quote:
Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
I had 2, the first year(2003) 8 3/8"
(will probably sell)
and the now discontinued 2 3/4".

The long barrel I bought as a hunter.
The shorty was my "get off me" gun for up close.
( owned for 2 years sold recently)

I want the 4" 460 as a replacement for both, more ammo choices, if you loose ammo,.45LC, ,. 454, ,.460.

(yes ,I like the 500 and I hand load for the it , but the 460 wasn't around when I bought my first)
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; Did you chronograph your short barreled 500 ??? What velocities were you getting ?????????. The ammo issue is also why I,m interested in the 460 S&W . Plus , I like the yellow grip on the survival gun . and am wondering if I can make up a short 410 shot shell load like the Judge has ... I missed out on 4 Ptarmigan this week because my hunting buddy who said he could easily hit one in the head @ 20 ft. with his Redhawk did NOT .. A half decent close range shot shell would be great !!!!!!!!


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08 September 2009, 18:37
DuggaBoye
I did chrono when doing load development when I first got the snubby--
unfortunately I don't remember the velocity drops exactly,
but I do remember it was not nearly as much as anticipated especially with the lighter weights.


Also the snubby has no break/ports-as do the 4" and longer ones-
the recoil particularly with the heavies (500 to 700) created a markedly notable vertical whip as compared to the 8 3/8.


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