i have always been a fan of the 10mm and the Glock 20 as a hunting "companion" gun, but have been thinking of a 1911 in the same, as the glock is a bit big for my hand, any experence, Kimber, Fusion, ???

Colt Delta Elite.......I have been looking for one for a while.

I have a Dan Wesson Bobtail Commander in 10mm and I love it. They also make the Razor Back and Pointman in 10mm, both of which are full size.

I have tried a Kimber Eclipse in 10mm as well. As with any Kimber the quality was top notch.

I went through the same deal with the Glock. I've had both an M20 and M29. Same problem with the small hands though. You can't beat a Glock for pure stopping power though. 16 shots of 10mm is enough to handle anything you could possibly run int.

I picked up this Para 16-40 as shown from a pawn shop for a great price. I have fitted a Bar-Sto 10mm barrel to it and now have a 17 shot switch barrel 40/10mm that shoots beautifully. Another option for you.

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Originally posted by CLK320:
the glock is a bit big for my hand

Good morning Gentlemen:
First post here, but I love following your conversations and learning from reading.

FYI, I was at the Gun Show in Chantilly VA this past weekend, and saw no less than 4 Glock 20 SF's for sale. I have a 21 SF, and it makes a WORLD of difference for me. The prices weren't bad on those who had them for sale either. This model is definately on my short list!!

Welcome to the forum, John! I missed the show this last weekend in Chantilly, but I normally go.......

Not a 1911 but I love my EAA Witness Elite Match in 10mm. I might bring it to the Hog Hunt next month!
Peter.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Welcome to the forum, John!

Thank you very much. As you can see, it has been two years since I registered on the site, and that was my first post. Like I mentioned however, I do follow some areas, and I am quite interested to see how your upcoming pig hunt goes. I have handgun hunted deer, but hunting pigs/hogs has been simmering quietly in the background. The more I hear, the more I want to do it.
I certainly wish you luck, and look forward to seeing the results.

Why don't you come along, John? You are more than welcome to hunt with us.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Colt Delta Elite.......I have been looking for one for a while.

I bought mine shortly after they came out
and was horrified to find out what they now sell for...

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Yeah, I know what you mean. I haven't found one for under a grand.

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Colt Delta Elite.......I have been looking for one for a while.

I still remember the first time I saw the Delta Elite (stainless of course) in the G&A Catalog. Not the magazine, but the catalog. I think I must've been about 12 or 13 at the time. I've been in love with that thing ever since. Sadly, still don't own one!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Why don't you come along, John? You are more than welcome to hunt with us.

Kind offer, thanks. My business is very, very seasonal and unfortunately we are in it now. Next time you get a fall/winter hunt on, I'll be more than happy...thanks again.

Put together. AO frame and a Delta top purchased in 87.

i have the s&w 1006 and love the gun if i was to buy new i would look at the kimber myself.You can find used s&w's reasonable

Been through several of Cooper's Gunsite week long courses.

Used 1911 handguns in all.

Used a 10mm with Norma factory 200-grain load at 1,200 fps in one course.

Big noticable difference in how fast the pepper poppers fall when hit with the full-house 10 as compared to standard 45 GI Ball.

The trajectory of the 10 is noticably flatter at 100 yards compared to standard 45.

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Boxhead, I like the rear sights on your Para. Are they standard?
Peter.

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Originally posted by richj:
Put together. AO frame and a Delta top purchased in 87.

That is beautiful, Rich!

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Originally posted by JohnSavage:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Why don't you come along, John? You are more than welcome to hunt with us.

Kind offer, thanks. My business is very, very seasonal and unfortunately we are in it now. Next time you get a fall/winter hunt on, I'll be more than happy...thanks again.

Well, John, we will probably do it again at some point. Just keep checking back here for an announcement.

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Originally posted by Peter:
Boxhead, I like the rear sights on your Para. Are they standard?
Peter.

No. It is a Bomar that was fitted to the slide.

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Originally posted by Kingfisher:

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Colt Delta Elite.......I have been looking for one for a while.

I still remember the first time I saw the Delta Elite (stainless of course) in the G&A Catalog. Not the magazine, but the catalog. I think I must've been about 12 or 13 at the time. I've been in love with that thing ever since. Sadly, still don't own one!

I paid $400-something for mine, some idiot bought it new fired one magazine of norma factory ammo through it and returned it for a $200-ish loss I was already filling out the paperwork to buy it before the previous owner made it back to his car in the parking lot.

the most recent one I've seen was a pristine stainless model and the asking price was $1500
at my favorite local toy store, it sold the same day.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Been through several of Cooper's Gunsite week long courses.

Used 1911 handguns in all.

Used a 10mm with Norma factory 200-grain load at 1,200 fps in one course.

Big noticable difference in how fast the pepper poppers fall when hit with the full-house 10 as compared to standard 45 GI Ball.

The trajectory of the 10 is noticably flatter at 100 yards compared to standard 45.

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That probably has something to do with the fact that GI ball is loaded to only around 700fps
(I seem to recall the original Army specification for ammo only requiring 630fps from the 1911, to get 950fps from a military ball load you had to load it into a thompson.

As I explained to a friend who didn't understand the point of the 10mm...

If a 180gr at 950fps from a 45ACP is "good" the same weight bullet at 1350fps from a 10mm must be better, and if a 200gr at 900fps is good then a 200gr from a 10mm @1200... you get the idea... I will now stop preaching to the Choir



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I've had my Colt Delta Elite 10mm since 1988 I will never sell it...

I was looking for a 10mm as well, but today I bought a Kimber 1911 in 45 ACP. I guess I will keep a look out for the 10mm.

Redhawk1

For a factory "field" load for your 1911 take a look a Buffalo Bores 230gr FP

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Redhawk1

For a factory "field" load for your 1911 take a look a Buffalo Bores 230gr FP

I may just do that. I will be reloading for the 45 ACP, I had 3 of the 1911 in 45 ACP before, so I still have some loaded up hard cast rounds and my dies as well.

A hard cast lead bullet @ 230gr could probably driven even faster than a jacketed bullet.

While the 1911, in 45 ACP is my most favorite handgun, for field use in bear country I much prefer a 4" S&W 44 Mag.

I have shot deer, whitetail and mule deer with a 45 ACP, and whitetail with a 9mm, and a 44 Mag.

The 44 Mag is much superior.
plus I have learned that a revolver is superior for Field work.

If an auto was the ONLY way for me...
AND...
IF I wanted an accurate 10mm for field work, I would get a customized 1911.

If I just wanted a 10mm, for down and dirty use, I would get a Glock.

Let me add that as that as I like semi-auto pistols I have tested the Desert Eagle in 44 Mag and the LAR Grizzly in 45 Win Mag, and the Auto Mag. They are just TOO big, and need a lot of custom work [as a start, in proper adjustable sights], to be a handy field handgun.

I have carried a 1911 a lot in the field, I really like them, I am wearing one now, but after shooting a few deer, and skinning a couple of rifle shot black bear, I went back to my 4" 44 Mag S&W.

If you carry a few speed loaders, and know how to use them, the staying power of the 44, in social encounters is not too far behind the semi-autos.

My 1911 is for 2 legged animals. I much prefer my revolvers for hunting. But nothing wrong with 8 shots of hard cast bullet to use when hiking in the back woods either.

I know what you mean about the big LAR Grizzlies, I just sold mine in 45 Win Mag. Just a big handful, but it was a great shooter.

My concern about the 10mm in a 1911 frame is that I have seen a whole bunch of cases whose heads are expanded in the unsupported area of the chamber ... where a ramp should be.

Back when USPSA was considering making 40 caliber the minimum for major I built a 1911 based racegun in 40 with a ramped barrel. Shortened a Delta Elite slide by a half inch and put a comp on the barrel. Gun works GREAT ... loaded to very nearly the same length as a 10mm using 10mm magazines it is easy to get 1400 fps with Nosler 135 gr HPs (can actually get 1580 fps but there is no earthly reason for that!).

In this configuration, you have the a ramped barrel, 10mm power, and a short spent to extract and eject. Works very well.

So well, in fact, that I built a tactical gun on a Para frame with two top ends ... one in 40 and one in 45 ACP. Used Nowlin ramped barrels, Briley spherical bushings, and Baer slides for the project as well as 2 pound pull trigger and sear. Wonderful pistol. You have to change the ejector when you swap tops, but it makes for a very flexible pistol.

mstarling

Your concern is well founded. While I have never "blown up" a 1911, I have seen a few that have and was actually right behind a fella who had the bottom of a 45 ACP case "let go".

It split the wood grips in several places and shot the still partially loaded magazine out the bottom of the gun with quite a bit of force. The shooters hand was slightly damaged and he said the powder gases were "warm".

He was not shooting hot loads as this was a Bullseye Match pistol as was probably the result of a double charge and/or a weak case.

Back in the day when several of us were loading the 45 ACP HOT, before ramped barrels, it was common practice to use the Pachmeyr rubber grips that had a steel? or aluminium? insert.

Never blew one up, but I have seen some slightly buldged cases.

I have a Javelina 10mm from IAI, if you run across one you might at least give it a good looking over. It sports a 7" barrel and is positively scary accurate out to 75yds.

I have had mine for quite a while and never had any function problems what so ever. It fully supports the cases and I have never had any bulge. It will run the 180gr Gold Dot out at 1400+ easily with no issues, and the 200gr loads out to 1300. My accuracy and hunting load, is right on the money at 1350 and shoots under 2" from a rested position at 50 yds.

Some think they were dogs, but I am so glad I bucked the crowd as it has never let me down. Recoil is very tolerable and the grip is very manageable even for my wife and daughter.

Just a thought if you run across one.

I have a kimber stainless target II that I like very much. very good shooter and good quality.

There is a blurb in the new American Rifleman that says Colt is going to make a run of Delta Elites in 10mm this year.