I have noticed (after 3 or so years) that my barnes reloading manual #3 is really screwed up on some of the case dimensions. Am I that far behind on the scoop here? I have only used it for powder load comparisons to my other load books and thus have not paid that close attension to case dimensions. Is there a recall?

The long and the short of it is that they put out a book that was exceedingly poorly proof read. What was worse than the messed up case dimensions (same with the #2 manual), is that some of the loading data was wrong. You can go to the website for corrected pages. Even so, the manual was never recalled.

Major blunder, IMO, Dutch.

The Barnes manual as well as the Barnes software is junk...

Thanks fellas.

I don't suppose they would be interested in trading out a crappy book for a corrected one either. Between the Barnes book and the Lee book I haven't found one tidbit of usable information and in fact have never worked up any load from them.

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Originally posted by ricciardelli:
The Barnes manual as well as the Barnes software is junk...

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Ain't it the truth.

RSY

The corrections to the Barnes manual can be found here:

http://www.barnesbullets.com/prodmanual.php
(corrections are at the bottom of the web page)

I have looked at the barnes page listed and guess what? It doesn't cover anything I am interested in. I have e-mailed them and now await their answer.

I thought I was the only one that noticed this sort of thing, but there are dozens of mistakes in that book. Missing sentences on the ends of a page, incorrect SDs, and so forth. I sanity-check everything against another source anyway, but especially with the Barnes manual.

The corrections that Barnes posted on their web site only address (I think) load data corrections. (Liability issues... etc.) I don't think they addressed cartridge diagram corrections, spelling mistakes, etc.

-Bob F.

And, the latest Cartridges of the World, lists
different primer sizes for the 6mm Br, depending on which neck diameter they happen to be talking about. Nearly as bad as novels where the authors don't know a Rev from an Auto.
(Joseph Kanon, for one.)

not a big deal. with the exception of the 243 data, those are all squid cartridges.

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Originally posted by 390ish:
not a big deal. with the exception of the 243 data, those are all squid cartridges.

OK when does the squid season start? :-)

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Between the Barnes book and the Lee book I haven't found one tidbit of usable information and in fact have never worked up any load from them.

I bought a Lee book a coupla' yrs. back and, for the life of me, have no idea why I still have it. I looked through it briefly when I first got it, put it on the shelf and decided I would never use it.

I gave my Lee manual away, and I usually hoard
books; perhaps I just couldn't understand it all.

If you call Barnes, they will replace it. I got one of the first copies out of the new manual, and I was amazed at the number of errors. I went through the whole book and marked up the pages with yellow post it notes. I compared the case dimensions with other reloading manuals and discovered that other manuals had errors, although it was on the order of one or two, not dozens.

Anyway, Barnes did a new printing and sent me a new copy. They didn't say anything about all the edits I did for them, though.

RobertD

What manuals can I depend on? and is there any where I can go for accurate Barnes data?

Being new to reloading, this whole topic is scary.

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Originally posted by mcswine:
What manuals can I depend on? and is there any where I can go for accurate Barnes data?

Being new to reloading, this whole topic is scary.

Nosler, Sierra, Hornady, would be an excellent place to start.

Barnes is the most depressing presenter of "goods & information" to have ever removed money and time from my life cycle. They will not get a second shot at me.

When it comes to loading data I depend on the Sierra manual. I can't trust Barnes data. I like the bullets but not the manual.

I don't have the sierra manual, but do have nosler and hornady. I, a little confused on comparitive loads. I think I read on another post that the Barnes TSX takes about a grain less than conventional bullets.??

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Originally posted by Dwight:
When it comes to loading data I depend on the Sierra manual. I can't trust Barnes data. I like the bullets but not the manual.

I can't trust Sierra hunting bullets, but I like Sierra manual too.

mcswine

That has been my experience in three or four calibers with the Barnes TSX. I wouldn't just assume that, work up max. loads with care as always.