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Bulged cases in a .44 magnum lever action
12 November 2019, 07:23
DPollardBulged cases in a .44 magnum lever action
I am new to the .44 mag cartridge and new to lever actions. Today I went to the range to test out some loads I worked up for my Henry Lever action chambered in .44 Mag.
I am shooting 300 grain Leatherhead cast bullets and Accurate #9 powder. Lee 2nd edition manual showed 15.4-17.2 grains and Lyman #49 showed 15.3-18.0 grains of Accurate #9. I loaded up 5 each of 16.3, 16.6, 16.9, 17.2, 17.5, 17.8. For the first 4 powder increments I would shoot then check the primer for any pressure signs, seeing none, I moved on to the next charge. On my 5th shot of the 17.5 gr load there was a very noticeable bulge at the base of the case that caught my eye. I then proceeded to check the other 4 and noticed the same bulge. At this time I decided to check each case of each charge and each had a bulge, which was slightly less and less as the powder charge decreased, but still noticeable. I did forget my chrono today so I do not have velocity data, unfortunately. I worked up my loads as I have for the last 8 years and have never run into buldding cases before, other than in my Glock pistols.
Is this normal with Henry lever guns and the .44 mag cartridge much like the "Glock Bulge" with Glock handguns?
12 November 2019, 08:42
Lamarno.
send it back.
it was also common with some marlins and they got a reputation for having pregnant chambers.
had they been sent back they would have stopped making them that way.
12 November 2019, 17:24
p dog shooterNo you rifle has a head space problem.
Send back with a couple of the fire cases taped to it.
12 November 2019, 18:15
jeffeossosend it back, chambering issue
12 November 2019, 19:09
DPollardThank you. I'll be reaching out to Henry.
12 November 2019, 19:30
dpcdIt is not a head space issue.
Max chamber is allowed to be .4629.
Min brass is allowed to be .4519.
Do some math and you will see a bulge. .011.
Measure your fired brass and see if it is within spec.
Having a "very noticeable bulge" may, or may not, be an issue.
12 November 2019, 21:11
z1rquote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
It is not a head space issue.
Max chamber is allowed to be .4629.
Min brass is allowed to be .4519.
Do some math and you will see a bulge. .011.
Measure your fired brass and see if it is within spec.
Having a "very noticeable bulge" may, or may not, be an issue.
Good answer. We all want a gun with a minimum chamber but as DPCD pointed out, chamber dimensions are often allowed to be a good bit larger than we'd hope for. Couple that with a batch of brass that is sized to the minimum and you see where that bulge can result.
Got pics?
Aut vincere aut mori
12 November 2019, 22:07
dpcdAnd I forgot to add; All SAAMI specs are Voluntary. NO one is bound to them in any way. Each maker is free to do whatever he wants.
The only reason they follow any guidelines at all is so most ammo/reloading dies, will fit most rifles.
This isn't Europe and you do not want it to be.
13 November 2019, 01:33
DPollardI measured where the case bulged and I get between .456-.457". Pictures are below.
Bulged cases13 November 2019, 03:24
dpcdThat is normal for this type of rifle and nothing to be concerned about. Your measurement is well within spec too. Maybe you got a chamber from a new reamer, made to the top of the tolerance; that way they can sharpen it more....Yes it might look untidy.....
13 November 2019, 04:29
243winxbNormal. When sizing the brass, there is no need to go all the way down.
I keep a thickness of a nickel between the RCBS die and shell holder.
As long as the sized brass chambers, your good to go.
22 November 2019, 21:09
AtkinsonThe problem is a bulge makes for stress on the brass when resizing and it will limit the life of brass..I would send it back and ask them to rebarrel it with a proper chamber..Some may be OK with a bulge as its not a safety issue, Im just not one of them, its an oversize chamber, end of story. Partial resizing is not acceptable IMO it can cause chambering problems in some cases...Its a problem that's best to fix IMO..
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
22 November 2019, 23:49
dpcdIf it is within the very generous SAAMI spec for 44 mags, they will tell you to pound sand. And definitely not to reload; no rifle is warranted for such activity.
All they are responsible for, is that it will safely shoot factory ammo, once.
26 November 2019, 18:38
john c.quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
If it is within the very generous SAAMI spec for 44 mags, they will tell you to pound sand. And definitely not to reload; no rifle is warranted for such activity.
All they are responsible for, is that it will safely shoot factory ammo, once.
sad but true
07 January 2020, 11:56
Joe from So. Cal.I've been shooting 300 gr. Bear Creek Supply cast over 17.0 gr of AA#9 through my Model 629 6" and my Super Blackhawk 7 1/2" for quite a while. The empties nearly fall out of my 629 when I open the cylinder. I'm taking that as no over pressure issues.
10 January 2020, 04:55
AtkinsonWell any repair is dependent on the company, I hope no company tells me to pound sand, it wouln;t be smart, Ihave some lawyer friends that do me favors in such cases, fortunately only one time that I recall..The firearms companies always bent over backwards to satisfy me..
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
10 January 2020, 06:55
dpcdIt's either within saami spec, or it is not. If it is, it is yours. Lawyers would have no case; get it?
27 January 2020, 01:03
AtkinsonThat's what Remington said after paying billions in law suits, a jury makes those decisions, not the firearms co. but the firearms have a building full of lawyers so its not normally smart to take them on unless the lawyers work on success for payment..Only in cases of life lost does it get dirty. and the big boys fold and pay..a bulged case can cause an explosion even within spects..Just saying.
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
29 January 2020, 02:38
TykeSaw the same situation with a customers .357. He was a novice reloader ans "misloadedL a round. Bulged the case, jambed the action, blew out the extractor.
]Use factory loads or reduce the reloads. Henry will not warrant problems with their rifles that have had reloads shot thru them. Not saying don't reload...just stay within factory specs.