Hi All,

I have a .270 WSM that I aquired a while back and haven't had a chance to play with it much yet. I'd like to work up some Whitetail loads for this season and am having a bit of a dilema between using the 130 gr. or 140 gr. AB's.

I'll be hunting fields with the gun where 300 yd. shots won't be uncommon, but occasionally a shot might be presented at 25 - 50 yds. as well, and based on Balistic Tip's reputation for fragmenting on impact at close ranges I've decided to give Accubond's a try hoping they'll work well at all ranges.

Anyhow, I'm debating between using the 130 or 140 gr. AB's. It seems that I've read more feedback on the 140's than the 130's concerning the .270 WSM. I would think that 130 gr. would be plenty for our Virginia Whitetails though.

I'd love to hear some feedback of y'all's results w/ these loads and any other load recommendations you might have.

Haven't been on there in a couple of years, but does anyone know what became of the Shortmags.org site? Any other similar sites pop up since then?? Appreciate any info you might have.

YB

the 140 grainer has a bc of .493

the 130 grainer has a bc of .407, iirc

in close, the exta weight can't hurt...

and out there a ways, the better bc preserves velocity, and therefore foot-pounds too.

friar

You'll be hard pressed to tell the difference, either in trajectory or terminal performance. Shoot the one that is most accurate in your rifle.

You'll give up about 150 fps potential velocity moving to the 140s (3150) from the 130s (3300). But the BC is a bit better for the 140s.

Nosler lists a .435 for the 130 and .496 for the 140. They also indicate a max impact velocity of 3100 fps for Accubonds.

So maybe you're better off with the 140 just in case a very close shot presents itself?

But other than that, I agree with the other posters: you won't notice a difference, and neither will the animal!

LWD

this may help you in your search for good load I uses 140gr Nosler BT for testing and loaded for hunting Partitions the shoot pretty well the same point of impact.For accuracy I used H4831sc and for hunting load I use Magpro the most FPS and least pressure,my gun is in 7mmwsm
140gr with Magpro just under 3300fps under 3/4" group, H4831sc 3150 under 1/2 "

I am shooting the 140 gr AB, 64 gr. AA3100, Winchester Brass, F215M, OAL 2.85, 3100 fps. I have shot several Deer and feral hogs with great results. My son will probaly use that load in Namibai next year.
Mike

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Thanks Guy's,

Appreciate all the helpful info. I've decided to go with the 140 AB's. Today I ordered 2 boxes of Nosler's 140 gr. Ballistic Tips factory 2nds (blems) to use for load development as they are cheaper and have a POI very close to the 140 Accubonds. I'll order some AB's once I get a good load worked up.

Just need to decide on a powder now, the suggestions y'all made look like a great place to start.

Thanks again,

YB

Magpro powder, Federal 215 primers and 140 Accubonds give me .25 MOA from my Savage in .270 WSM. I'm getting almost benchrest accuracy @ 3150 fps.

My 270 WSM shoots .5 5 shot groups with 135 SMK'S
66 grains of IMR 7828 3200 FPS

I have got excellent results with the 140 gr. Accubond using max. load of IMR-4350. Haven't tried much else as this consistantly shoots 1/2" groups out of my NULA. The Accubonds have worked great on deer in MI (short range) and WY (long range).

okie2 wrote:

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My 270 WSM shoots .5 5 shot groups with 135 SMK'S
66 grains of IMR 7828 3200 FPS

The original question was regarding a hunting load.

As to the 130 vs. 140s, either will serve you well, and as Stonecreek aptly pointed out, you wouldn't be able to tell any difference in the field.

And yes, those Nosler 2nds are really a good deal -- especially when they discount the price even lower with one of their sales. In my .308 WCF, I use the same powder charge of Re-15 with both the BT and Accubond, and they maintain the same basic POI out to as far as I care to shoot.

The 150 grain Solid base performs similarly but does has an insignificant bit of additional drop beyond 250 yards. Then again, most of my shots fall well inside of that range anyway. So I can load up with any of those 3 bullets, maintain my original scope settings and not ever have to worry about any elevation changes if I elect to swap ammo.

I have the answer for Part two. At some point a year or two ago ShortMags.org moved onto www.netrifle.com, and in mid July 2007 the Administrator took down the page.

He indicated that the site served its purpose of educating people on Short Mags, and had run its course.

I found this forum about a week after it closed and very quickly found this is an excellent forum too. I imagine a lot of ShortMags users will migrate onto this site, if they haven't done so already.

IMO, the reason shortmags.org went down the tube was because the "Moderator" was,... how shall I put this?...somewhat arrogant.

Never went to netrifle.com, but perhaps he ran all the folks away from that one, too.

My .270 WSM shoots 140 grain Nosler Combined Tech Failsafe Uncoated bullets at 3260 fps and into one ragged hole when I do my part. I bought those bullets at $4.99 per box of 50 and got 6 boxs when I made the purchase. It does the same thing with Barnes TSX 140 grainers. The load is 68 grains of RL-25 with a Fed 210M primer and Winchester brass. Good shooting.

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IMO, the reason shortmags.org went down the tube was because the "Moderator" was,... how shall I put this?...somewhat arrogant.

I nominate this post for understatement of the year!!!

LWD

Oh wow, I had forgotten about this thread. Thanks for the additional input fella's. Sure do appreciate it.

YB

I prefer the 140gr AB, as the 130's just came out last year and I was shooting the 140's since they were released in 2004.

I use Retumbo with my 140gr AB's in both my Tikka T3 LS 270WSM rifles. Federal 215 Mag primers.

One rifle likes a bit more powder than the other. Just finished tweaking the one load last nite. Just over 0.4" 5 shot group @ 100m with a medium strength crosswind at the range.

We have taken everything from bull and cow elk, to moose, and large mulies and whitetails-all 1 shot kills except for 1 moose @ my request for my wife to shoot the bull again....it didnt need it after the fact, I just didnt want the bull to get into the timber b/c I would of had to work harder in -25 deg. C weather.

I have shot some pretty big mulies with the 140-grain 7mm bullet at a MV of 3350 FPS. It did horrific damage to edible portions. Went to a 175-grainer at 2950-it was MUCH less destructive.

In your rifle, shooting VA white-tails, I'd be willing to bet you won't see much difference between a 130 and a 140-grain bullet in that magnum. I would go to the 150 grain Nosler Partition, at a lower velocity-say 2900 FPS. It will shoot plenty flat enough out to 400 yards, kill very well at all ranges, and tend to blow away less meat, again at all ranges.

In addition, the 150 will serve well for elk and moose too, should the occasion arise......

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
You'll be hard pressed to tell the difference, either in trajectory or terminal performance. Shoot the one that is most accurate in your rifle.

+1

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Originally posted by bowhuntrrl:
Magpro powder, Federal 215 primers and 140 Accubonds give me .25 MOA from my Savage in .270 WSM. I'm getting almost benchrest accuracy @ 3150 fps.

bowhuntrrl,which cases are you using?