Shipping primed brass

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Originally posted by df06:
Can a person ship brass that is primed through USPS or UPS?
And If so are there any special things I need to do?

Absolutely no energetic materials shipped by USPS.
You can ship primed brass just like it was loaded ammo by UPS.

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BigNate

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I am having issues with them (UPS and FEDEX) right now because of this exact issue.
I marked it ORM-D as is required. The UPS store won't take it, FedEx hub won't take it, and if you set up an account and get the label printed etc. you are supposed to be able to schedule a pick up. HOWEVER, if the driver shows up and see's it marked ORM-D he won't put it on his truck appearantly. By the way things are written it's perfectly acceptable.

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larrys

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UPS stores are not going to take anything dealing with firearms. The only way you can ship is UPS depot, if fedex won't take it. Mine always does with the ORM-D label.

Larry

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Here's the explicit reg that allows primed brass to be shipped, it isn't hazmat or ORM-D, it's unregulated as far as CFR49 applies, just ship it UPS or Fedex ground with no markings.

Tim

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/...qtr/49cfr172.102.htm

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TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 172_HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TABLE, SPECIAL PROVISIONS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

Subpart B_Table of Hazardous Materials and Special Provisions

Sec. 172.102 Special provisions.

[[Page 320]]

50 Cases, cartridge, empty with primer which are made of metallic or
plastic casings and meeting the classification criteria of Division 1.4
are not regulated for domestic transportation

]

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craigster

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Be careful how you ship, or the ORM-D Police might show up at your door.

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See if you can figure out if 1.4 applies

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/173.52

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wrongtarget

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Effective Jan 1, 2014, a new label must be used with no other marking for shipping ammo, either label can be used until then, the ORM-D still requires the small arms cartridges marking.

http://bulletin.accurateshoote...s-on-ammo-shipments/

http://www.ups.com/content/us/...s.html?WT.svl=SubNav

Download labels here: http://www.type03.net/ammo/limitedquantity.pdf

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The days of the “ORM-D: Small Arms Cartridges” labels for ammo shipments are numbered. The Dept. of Transportation (DOT) is phasing out the current ORM-D ammo labels, replacing them with a larger striped diamond label that does not mention “Small Arms Cartridges”. This change is designed to harmonize U.S. shipping rules with United Nations standards. You can start using the new “Limited Quantity” diamond labels for ammo shipments immediately, but they are not mandatory — yet. You can continue to use the old ORM-D “Cartridges, Small Arms” labels until December 31, 2013. As of January 1, 2014 you MUST use the Striped Diamonds.

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tiggertate

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Are loaded ammunition and primed cases considered the same thing?

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wrongtarget

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No, small arms ammo is classed differently.

quote:
Originally posted by wrongtarget:
Here's the explicit reg that allows primed brass to be shipped, it isn't hazmat or ORM-D, it's unregulated as far as CFR49 applies, just ship it UPS or Fedex ground with no markings.

Tim

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/...qtr/49cfr172.102.htm

quote:

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 172_HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TABLE, SPECIAL PROVISIONS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

Subpart B_Table of Hazardous Materials and Special Provisions

Sec. 172.102 Special provisions.

[[Page 320]]

50 Cases, cartridge, empty with primer which are made of metallic or
plastic casings and meeting the classification criteria of Division 1.4
are not regulated for domestic transportation
]

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Originally posted by larrys:
UPS stores are not going to take anything dealing with firearms. The only way you can ship is UPS depot, if fedex won't take it. Mine always does with the ORM-D label.

My locate UPS store will take my ORM-D labeled ammo shipments but I have shipping stuff with her for about 10 or 12 years.

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FedEx and UPS do not HAVE to ship anything they don't want to ship, for ANYONE.. They are private businesses, not arms of the welfare state.

One glance at the raft of regulations above should make it crystal clear why both of them do not require any of their employees, stores, or depots to accept ANY package which gives the clerk or driver any concerns whatsoever. Can you imagine trying to make every employee (or even every manager) confident and accurate in their knowledge and legal interpretation of those regs? And, if some negative event DID happen which could possibly be rightly or wrongly be blamed on the acceptance of a package which could possibly be unsafe to ship, can't you just hear the cries of the plaintiffs' ("Victims"?) lawyers now?

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Stupid or not UPS and Fed Ex already operate in that enviornment. They are already assuming that liability thousands of times a day. That they don't always know what they are doing is their problem and in turn can make it our problem. We are not professionals, they get paid to know their business.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
FedEx and UPS do not HAVE to ship anything they don't want to ship, for ANYONE.. They are private businesses, not arms of the welfare state.

One glance at the raft of regulations above should make it crystal clear why both of them do not require any of their employees, stores, or depots to accept ANY package which gives the clerk or driver any concerns whatsoever. Can you imagine trying to make every employee (or even every manager) confident and accurate in their knowledge and legal interpretation of those regs? And, if some negative event DID happen which could possibly be rightly or wrongly be blamed on the acceptance of a package which could possibly be unsafe to ship, can't you just hear the cries of the plaintiffs' ("Victims"?) lawyers now?

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