Why are things like 165 gr .308 Nosler Accubonds still unavailable?

It worries me!

Why? Same reason all other shooting relating commodities are in short supply; Fear and Greed, promoted and compounded by the current Dem/Socialist Control agenda that they have.
Happens every time the dems get into power; I've seen it many times.
Cycle repeats itself. They do not trust people with guns; period.
It is not due to an actual real increase in demand, or shortness of production. It is artificial, but nonetheless, real.
It worries you? It should; our country is heading in the wrong direction.

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our country is heading in the wrong direction.

Totally agree!

I check for 165 gr .308 Nosler Accubonds every day or 2. There haven’t been any since August or September.

Surely if manufacturing is normal...they have made some since then?!

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Why? Same reason all other shooting relating commodities are in short supply; Fear and Greed, promoted and compounded by the current Dem/Socialist Control agenda that they have.
Happens every time the dems get into power; I've seen it many times.
Cycle repeats itself. They do not trust people with guns; period.
It is not due to an actual real increase in demand, or shortness of production. It is artificial, but nonetheless, real.
It worries you? It should; our country is heading in the wrong direction.

Amen.

I couldn't agree more. And yes they will return. We have been dealing with this BS for many years during every election cycle.

Guess you all forgot it happened last time when trump got into the office. So no it's not confined to a single party.

Just the same morons hoarding everything because they think it's the end of the world - again.

I remember loaded ammunition in .22 LR, .223, .308, ,45 acp, 9mm, etc going scarce. I remember powder and primers going. I never remember anything as comprehensive as this before. Maybe my memory is bad.

supplies will return but sadly prices will not

Point 1: This is Demand driven. Maybe not "normal" demand but demand is still the driver. The market is demanding more than can be supplied.

Each cycle is worsening because of the underlying social changes reflected in the political changes. As hopeful as we were for change in the Trump term, note that not many Freedoms were returned to the people. He only slowed the rate of decay of our freedoms. We are back on accelerated loss of freedom again. Whether our country has true return to a freedom based model in it or not remains to be seen.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
supplies will return but sadly prices will not

Well, prices on new components at retail will be higher than in the past, but primarily because raw materials like copper are up something like 30% since the first of this year. Raw material prices won't relax until the housing market, which uses the lion's share of such materials, cools significantly.

Retail prices will also be high for a while simply based on the manufacturers and retailers discovering what prices the market will bear and understandably increasing their margins to so reflect.

It will only be when the widows of hoarders start selling their dead husbands' cache of ammunition and components at garage sales for pennies on the dollar that ammunition and component prices will ease. In fact, if you want to wait about a half-decade you'll be able to pick up some bargains -- for only a small fraction of a Bitcoin .

Wishful thinking. Especially if there is a "revised" SCOTUS.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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Originally posted by butchloc:
supplies will return but sadly prices will not

Well, prices on new components at retail will be higher than in the past, but primarily because raw materials like copper are up something like 30% since the first of this year. Raw material prices won't relax until the housing market, which uses the lion's share of such materials, cools significantly.

Retail prices will also be high for a while simply based on the manufacturers and retailers discovering what prices the market will bear and understandably increasing their margins to so reflect.

It will only be when the widows of hoarders start selling their dead husbands' cache of ammunition and components at garage sales for pennies on the dollar that ammunition and component prices will ease. In fact, if you want to wait about a half-decade you'll be able to pick up some bargains -- for only a small fraction of a Bitcoin .

I signed up on Brownell's website to be notified when certain components become available.

On 4/28 I received an email from Brownell's alerting me that #9 magnum lead shot is available in 25 lb bags.

Price? $71.90. And that doesn't include shipping.

Fortunately my skeet club has #8.5 shot available and I had just purchased a bag for $36.75. No tax as it's on a military installation.

$71.90 for a bag of shot??!! Things are not looking good. If primers are ever back up for sale, I shudder to think what they'll go for. And I'm down to my last 300 #209s.

Not confined to a single party?????
It is definitely confined to the dems/socialiists; PERIOD!!! This is a political issue and only one party wants more control over you. It's blatantly obvious who is to blame.
I have to set the record straight; hoarding and short supplies did NOT originate from Trump's taking office; quite the contrary. The landslide started when everyone thought that hillary was going to get elected. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Donald got in and things slowly came back to normal (for gun owners).
Now the pendulum is swinging in the other, bad for us, direction.
I'm sure that is what you meant.

The shortage of reloading supplies comes from the Covid pandemic and missing workers. And greedy people over buying and hoarding supplies.

The Democrats were not in power when the pandemic hit. On the news tonight it was announced there is a chicken shortage and the prices are going up. Are you going to blame the
Democrats for the shortage of toilet paper when Trump and the Republicans were in charge.

The problem is simple, the demand is outstripping the supply. And the supply was greatly reduced during the pandemic.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Not confined to a single party?????
It is definitely confined to the dems/socialiists; PERIOD!!! This is a political issue and only one party wants more control over you. It's blatantly obvious who is to blame.
I have to set the record straight; hoarding and short supplies did NOT originate from Trump's taking office; quite the contrary. The landslide started when everyone thought that hillary was going to get elected. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Donald got in and things slowly came back to normal (for gun owners).
Now the pendulum is swinging in the other, bad for us, direction.
I'm sure that is what you meant.

Liberals can make all the excuses they want!

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Not confined to a single party?????
It is definitely confined to the dems/socialiists; PERIOD!!! This is a political issue and only one party wants more control over you. It's blatantly obvious who is to blame.
I have to set the record straight; hoarding and short supplies did NOT originate from Trump's taking office; quite the contrary. The landslide started when everyone thought that hillary was going to get elected. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Donald got in and things slowly came back to normal (for gun owners).
Now the pendulum is swinging in the other, bad for us, direction.
I'm sure that is what you meant.

That's exactly the way I remember it as well.

Me too. Actually, it happened before Hillary. It went wild when Obama was running. And I recall the havoc when Clinton was elected; so yeah, it is single party related. Let us never forget the travesty of the 1968 GCA under LBJ.

Lane, I sent you a P.M.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Not confined to a single party?????
It is definitely confined to the dems/socialiists; PERIOD!!! This is a political issue and only one party wants more control over you. It's blatantly obvious who is to blame.
I have to set the record straight; hoarding and short supplies did NOT originate from Trump's taking office; quite the contrary. The landslide started when everyone thought that hillary was going to get elected. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Donald got in and things slowly came back to normal (for gun owners).
Now the pendulum is swinging in the other, bad for us, direction.
I'm sure that is what you meant.

Don't forget trump ended by getting his crowd of morons to try and overthrow the government, fortunately unsuccessfully. Besides he never believed in any traditional conservative value. He just fooled a bunch of people into believing he did.

With extremism of any kind comes the kind of crap we have to deal with today.
I'm sure that's what you meant.

Ok, I see you are supporting those who want to restrict our gun rights. Of course that is also you right, to support restricting my rights.
You are trying to have it both ways. Fortunately I don't know any gun owners who want to do that, but obviously they are out there.
Extremism? I only care about one issue and the most extreme views on restricting my gun rights always come from the dems/libs/socialists. ONLY.
As for the Pandemic panic buying; big difference in the motivation and easy to see; restriction of gun rights only affect one type of people; those who own and like firearms. Pandemic affects, everyone.

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Don't forget trump ended by getting his crowd of morons to try and overthrow the government

Geez, get a grip on yourself. It's pretty hard to overthrow the government without firing any shots. The only shot fired was by a government agent who shot an unarmed Trump supporter.

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The only shot fired was by a government agent who shot an unarmed Trump supporter.

Trump supporter!? Bullshit. Don't you know that ALL of those Capitol rioters on January 6th were from ANTIFA!? Don't you read your QANON regularly? Or even listen to Tucker? Those weren't Trump supporters, they were left-wing socialist/communist baby-eating, child-screwing, anti-American scum, most of which were in this country illegally and were just trying to imitate Trump supporters by wearing stolen MAGA hats.

And, the only reason that this ammo shortage started while Trump was in office is because god-fearing people knew that atheist Ukranian-backed seditionists were going to foment a civil war, so good Christians needed to arm themselves and stock up on ammunition before the ANTIFAs got all of the 40-round magazines for themselves.

Besides, it can't be Biden's fault. Everyone knows that he is completely senile and it is that "Indo-Africa" woman VP who is calling the shots. (She claims her mother was Indian but I've asked every Apache and Comanche in this part of the world and they say it ain't true.)

But I fear we are destined to lose this fight without Rush to lead us where libtards fear to tread.

This problem is bigger this time than ever before.Will it recover?Maybe,but expect the prices to be higher and more limited than ever.The lack of certain hunting bullets not available for awhile now I think can be blamed on the high B.C. Match Grade bullet demand.Manufacturing has been directed to appease that crowd and not the common hunting bullet crowd.Then this planneddemic hit,people were buying all the guns and ammo they could get their hands on and things have never been the same since.The biggest treat to us is the UN.The UN doesn't want us to have guns.They don't want a strong USA,they want to bankrupt our Country so they can create their communist NWO and one world banking system.All this crap about reparations,gender equality,green new deal and the such is not democrat ideas,it all comes from the UN.The democrat party has adopted their ideas and are lying to the American public making it sound like it's their plan,but it's not,it's all comes from the UN.These bastards are not acting in the best interest of our Country.People need to become aware of all of this.This is not a conspiracy theory.Everyone need to go to the source and see for themselves.Back in late 2020,their home page had a picture of a bronze sculpture of a revolver with the barrel tied in a knot in front of the UN headquarters.Now if that doesn't make a statement what does.When you hear the date 2030 spoken,that is their projected date for creating their NWO.President Trump was not supposed to win in 2016.They thought they had enough control over the elections that it wouldn't happen,but he did.Look at the constant determination to remove him from office during his whole term.Why?Because he was a direct threat to the UN and the NWO.To this day they still fear him,that is why the FBI raided Giuliani's office and home.They wanted to find information on President Trump.Our Country is in a mess.It has been totally taken over by these communist.They are in control of every agency and faction of our government.Go see for yourself and educate yourself and others. www.un.org

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Don't forget trump ended by getting his crowd of morons to try and overthrow the government

Geez, get a grip on yourself. It's pretty hard to overthrow the government without firing any shots. The only shot fired was by a government agent who shot an unarmed Trump supporter.

Yeah . . . and I'm resisting the temptation of pointing out events over the 4 years of Trump's tenure, hostile to him, that some might characterize as efforts to "overthrow the government."

But that would be way off topic, so I'll restrain myself.

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Originally posted by Cougarz:

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Not confined to a single party?????
It is definitely confined to the dems/socialiists; PERIOD!!! This is a political issue and only one party wants more control over you. It's blatantly obvious who is to blame.
I have to set the record straight; hoarding and short supplies did NOT originate from Trump's taking office; quite the contrary. The landslide started when everyone thought that hillary was going to get elected. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Donald got in and things slowly came back to normal (for gun owners).
Now the pendulum is swinging in the other, bad for us, direction.
I'm sure that is what you meant.

Don't forget trump ended by getting his crowd of morons to try and overthrow the government, fortunately unsuccessfully. Besides he never believed in any traditional conservative value. He just fooled a bunch of people into believing he did.

With extremism of any kind comes the kind of crap we have to deal with today.
I'm sure that's what you meant.

Roger, I've read some of your other anti-Trump comments and with all due respect, I believe you to be 100% wrong.

Just for the record, I'll state up front that Trump was an inarticulate man. He wasn't good at laying out an argument from a logical standpoint, verbally building the case, and making the point. As Ben Shapiro often said, sometimes Trump hits the nail on the head and sometimes he hits a baby. You never knew what you were going to get from his commentary.

On the other hand, I can't find much in his policies that I disagree with. He re-established border enforcement and proposed merit based immigration. Something almost all of the other developed and for that matter, undeveloped countries of the world practice. Why, because we need to make sure the taxes we pay go toward helping American's first. Not that we don't care about the plight of less fortunate folks elsewhere, but we have problems here already that aren't being adequately solved.

He was responsible for removing unnecessary layers of regulation. Importantly, these are regulations imposed by non-elected officials, effectively practicing law making without facing periodic accountability of the people thru the election process.

I could go on and on, including his cancelling of promotion of critical race theory, while at the same time being the first president to provide continual financial support for black colleges, removing the requirement for said colleges to beg for funding every year or two.

You are absolutely correct in that he wasn't a traditional conservative. And that was his vast appeal. For me, I'm not a single issue voter, but I am a few issues voter. My issues can mostly be broken down to the following:

1). I don't care one bit about the color of a person's skin or gender. When I hear, "isn't it great to see a black woman holding that office?", my response is always "what are her qualifications and what are her positions". That's what I care about. If she is qualified for the job and stands for personal liberty at home and America's interests abroad, I'm all for her! I was no more against Barack Obama than I was against Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton. I didn't agree with the men's direction of the country. Skin color never entered my consideration.

2). Personal liberty. If I don't commit crimes, or impose on my fellow man, I don't deserve restrictions placed upon me. That includes what weapons I can own.

3). If I identify a need in the market place, I should be free to develop a business plan to service that need and the government should stay the hell out of it, including what I'm willing to pay my employees. I'll put out a job opening to help me do what I need to do to grow the business I'm kick starting with money I've saved over the years. If what I'm wiling to pay isn't enough for someone, they aren't being forced to come to work for me. If they do come to work for me and they improve their skill levels, becoming more and more valuable to my company, which brings in more money, I'm more than happy to pay them more. By the same token, as they become more valuable to my company by developing their skills, they also become more valuable to my competitors, thereby increasing their ability to demand more compensation. It's a win win. The minimum wage was never meant to be a permanent employment or pay position. If a person fails to make themselves more valuable, who's fault is that? The government seems to think it's by problem in demanding I pay $15 per hour these days. Nope! I'll find a way to automate the position if I have to pay more than is profitable, or will be forced to restrict growth of my company organically. Just another example of problem the government tries to solve is usually made worse through unintended consequences.

4). Don't take my money in the form of taxes to pay for programs I don't believe in and in the same breath, know will be mismanaged. I have a heart, and I'll support the causes I want to support on my own. If the government forces me to support programs I disagree with, I'll look for every legal method to avoid doing so.

5). In today's world, trade with other nations is necessary for a robust economy. No doubt about it. But as in any negotiation with any business deal, why would we as America, go into the deal ready to give everything away without getting anything of value in return? That's gone on for far too long.

Again, I could go on. Every one of the above items on my list were things Trump supported and bucked the system to achieve. The reason you saw establishment republicans fight him was he posed a real threat to the corruption and pay to play schemes they've benefited from for so long. The old saying of the flak is always most intense is when you are over the target certainly applied. He took more flak than any previous president in history, and the reason was he presented the biggest threat to really shaking up the good old boy network in DC ... on both sides of the isle. I'm for that 100%. We tried to shake it up in 92 with Ross as a reaction to backsliding from the Reagan years' progress brought on by Bush 1, but weren't quite there yet. In 2016, after Clinton, Bush 2 and Obamma, we were, but just barely. As time goes on, corruption on both sides of the isle will continue to develop a constituency demanding an alternative leader like President Trump was. My only hope is we reach that tipping point again before corruption gains such a foot hold that it can't be overcome and we start seeing elections like in other tyrannies where the winning candidate gets 99% of the vote and the dissenting 1% disappears.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why are things like 165 gr .308 Nosler Accubonds still unavailable?

It worries me!

I'm guessing many of you were banned from Facebook's social media platforms. And now are bringing your hate and discontent here.

If you think it's bad here then move to Australian or New Zealand.

Politics has nothing to do with why the OP can't find Nosler Accubonds. So leave your crap on the other side of your computer screen. This is a reloading forum pure and simple.

If you guys want to get into this stuff (I don't, not here anyway), Please take it to the Political Forum, where you can say just about anything, reality-based or not.

This part of the site is for discussing RELOADING.

I'd like to over throw the gov't but I can't get primers.

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Originally posted by richj:
I'd like to over throw the gov't but I can't get primers.

I agree with JeffreyPhD, take your comments to the Political forum. The Government has nothing to do with the shortage of reloading components.

You may not be interested in politics but politics is interested in you. Everything shaping and influencing your world is politics whether you want it or not. It's sad, it wasn't always this way but it's this way now. It's not going to stop anytime soon.

Well, I think that it probably always was that way, but agree, it's sad. But take it to the Political Forum please.

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Originally posted by MickinColo:
You may not be interested in politics but politics is interested in you. Everything shaping and influencing your world is politics whether you want it or not. It's sad, it wasn't always this way but it's this way now. It's not going to stop anytime soon.

I wish the world was all unicorns and fairy dust charms but look around, open your eyes, and see what is coming for you.

And that's the last comment on the subject in this forum or any other.

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Originally posted by MickinColo:
I wish the world was all unicorns and fairy dust charms but look around, open your eyes, and see what is coming for you.

A cool cat with a Desert Eagle 50 AE.

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Are you going to blame theDemocrats for the shortage of toilet paper when Trump and the Republicans were in charge.

uhh yeah.
they are the buttholes that panicked.
we had no TP shortage around here until I started seeing out of state plates in the parking lot.

Basically it is my thread and I am fine with the commentary. If it is inappropriate for the forum...the moderators will move it. If you don’t like the thread...don’t participate.

BTW...I got 165 gr .308 Nosler Accubonds today.

Yes, the standard culprits are to blame, but if you think reloading supplies are all that’s hard to get, try finding a decent selection of refrigerators, anywhere. Virtually all industries are currently affected by shortages, from circuit breakers to bicycles. Reloading supplies seems worse, because any time a new Dem gets elected this happens, but the Kung Flu has taken it to a new level. China is showing us whose really in control.

Just one more reason to plant your garden. Lane, glad you found your bullets; let me know if I can help out with any other shortages.

Hey guys, I agree about the politics, even though I made a political statement above. But the fact is, the ammo and reloading supplies shortage we are experiencing right now IS politics related. Anyone who thinks this isn't a result of hoarding all the supplies one can find in light of the Biden administration and House of Representatives all out onslaught against the second amendment, and their rhetoric of same leading up to last November's election, is simply not living in reality.

Yes, there have been shortages of other supplies, largely due to Covid and similar panic driven hoarding buying ... like toilet paper (I still don't get that one). But this ammo issue is specific to political statements like the following:

1) Francis (Beato) O'Rourke stating "Hell yes we are going to take your AR's"
2) Biden in an interview when asked if he is going to ban AR's responded with "Bingo. They should have never been legal in the first place"
3) Kamala Harris on gun control: "Just give us 100 days".
4) The string of gun control bills coming out of the House of representatives since the current session started in January of this year.

Yes, this shortage started before the Dems took control in January, but the anticipation of them winning and their rhetoric leading up to the elections was a primary factor in driving panic buying. I know it's influenced my recent purchases of components (when available) as well as several AR style weapons and NFA items in hopes of being grandfathered in the event of another ban.