Finally got to chrono my load for my 30-06, 57.0 gr I4350, cci 200 primer, Rem cases, sierra gameking 165 bullet. Average velocity was 2670fps, spread was 28fps. I am disappointed with this. I was thinking I should be closer to 2750-2800 with a 22in barrel. What is realistic for a 22in barrel?

My 165 gr load (Hornady 165 SPBT) for the '06 uses 59.5 gr AA4350, WW cases, WLR primers, 3.25" AOL. Velocity is 2839 fps out of my 24" M70 with 58,300 psi(M43) and 2786 fps out of my 22" M98 '06. Equal charges of IMR4350 produce higher pressure with attendan higher velocity. I'd suggest you cautiously work up a little more. You should be able to achieve 2700+ fps without high pressures with IMR 4350.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by Chris Whitmoyer:
Finally got to chrono my load for my 30-06, 57.0 gr I4350, cci 200 primer, Rem cases, sierra gameking 165 bullet. Average velocity was 2670fps, spread was 28fps. I am disappointed with this. I was thinking I should be closer to 2750-2800 with a 22in barrel. What is realistic for a 22in barrel?

I would work on accuracy where you are at, unless you are really striving for speed, and then it might be better to drop down to a 150 grain pill. Whatever your shooting isn't going to notice a 100 fps.

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Originally posted by Chris Whitmoyer:
Finally got to chrono my load for my 30-06, 57.0 gr I4350, cci 200 primer, Rem cases, sierra gameking 165 bullet. Average velocity was 2670fps, spread was 28fps. I am disappointed with this. I was thinking I should be closer to 2750-2800 with a 22in barrel. What is realistic for a 22in barrel?

So....what caused you to stop at 57 grains?....what pressure signs did you observe that caused you to stop adding powder.

FWIW I'd have gone all the way to 62 grains IMR-4350 and a 165 grainer....assuming no pressure signs to tell me to stop.

In all reality 2,900 FPS isn't at all unachievable!

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Originally posted by Chris Whitmoyer:
Finally got to chrono my load for my 30-06, 57.0 gr I4350, cci 200 primer, Rem cases, sierra gameking 165 bullet. Average velocity was 2670fps, spread was 28fps. I am disappointed with this. I was thinking I should be closer to 2750-2800 with a 22in barrel. What is realistic for a 22in barrel?

Hodgdon changed max load to 60gr/IMR-4350 with 165gr bullets 24" barrel @2934fps. Back in the 80's I got a Rem 22" barrel 30-06 back then 57gr/IMR-4350 was max load for 165gr bullets I worked up to max was good load @ 2660fps. I tried some other loads friend of mine liked that rifle alittle more than I did.

I have shot loads through crony's now from the time I got my frist one around 1980 I have found that most loads well be any where to 100 to 200 fps slower then what the book says they well be. And that the same load shot in differant rifles can very that much also.

I don't push my loads over max I just buy a bigger rifle Ie 30-06 to 300 mag of some type.

I have seen some very high vel and powder charges on the internet be very aware when people tell you to start shoving more powder into your rifle.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I have shot loads through crony's now from the time I got my frist one around 1980 I have found that most loads well be any where to 100 to 200 fps slower then what the book says they well be. And that the same load shot in differant rifles can very that much also.

I don't push my loads over max I just buy a bigger rifle Ie 30-06 to 300 mag of some type.

I have seen some very high vel and powder charges on the internet be very aware when people tell you to start shoving more powder into your rifle.

Most sensible comments!

- mike

The '06 will do almost 2700 FPS with a 200-grain bullet. 2670 with the 165 grainer is wimpy.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I have shot loads through crony's now from the time I got my frist one around 1980 I have found that most loads well be any where to 100 to 200 fps slower then what the book says they well be. And that the same load shot in differant rifles can very that much also.

I don't push my loads over max I just buy a bigger rifle Ie 30-06 to 300 mag of some type.

I have seen some very high vel and powder charges on the internet be very aware when people tell you to start shoving more powder into your rifle.

AMEN, Brother

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I have shot loads through crony's now from the time I got my frist one around 1980 I have found that most loads well be any where to 100 to 200 fps slower then what the book says they well be. And that the same load shot in differant rifles can very that much also.

I don't push my loads over max I just buy a bigger rifle Ie 30-06 to 300 mag of some type.

I have seen some very high vel and powder charges on the internet be very aware when people tell you to start shoving more powder into your rifle.

When I shot that 30-06 back in the 80's it was much slower than I liked one thing I didn't figure on was the loss with the 22" barrel.

Afew years ago I pick up a new Rem 30-06 with 24" barrel I again worked up loads 57gr/IMR-4350 165gr bullet in that rifle 2794fps worked up to the nex max 60gr/IMR-4350 @ 2940fps. I'd also worked up loads using IMR-4064/IMR-4007ssc and I was getting published velocity accuracy was great.

I'm not into going over max loads for any standard calibers and caliber is what it is. I build one 30-06 used a Lilja barrel worked up to a mx load of 57.5/H-4350 with 180gr Partitioon @ 2869fps well over published velocity. Since that rifle in a Kreiger barrel 30-06 57gr/H-4350 180gr bullet @ 2889fps,Bartlein barrel 30-06 57.5gr/H-4350 with 180gr bullet @ 2893fps. I could got over a grain be in the high 2900fps range knowing those rifle like I do.

Funny thing is if someone told me 3yrs I'd be shooting a 30-06 I'd told them there crazy. I got the 30-06 to build a 300mag I had 30-06 brass from that rifle back in the 80's and I'm glad I when and fired it. I still need to do a 300mag.

I stopped at 57 gr because my manuals (Lyman and Hornady)listed that as max. I will try to load some up in increments to 60 and see what I get. Hopefully I will get some time to shoot in the next month. Thanks for your advice

Chris, before you put your foot on the accelerator, go to your Hornady book and see what sort of downrange advantage you will get with your bullet traveling 2800fps vice 2700fps. In truth, it will be very little.
I shot a load in my 30-06 for years that killed everything I pointed it at. Back before every kid on the block had a Chrony. When I finally found out how fast it was going, I was amazed that it would even kill a deer. 55grs IMR4350/165gr Rem Core Lokt bullet.

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Originally posted by Chris Whitmoyer:
I stopped at 57 gr because my manuals (Lyman and Hornady)listed that as max. I will try to load some up in increments to 60 and see what I get.

check out the Hodgdon website.....they list 60 grains of IMR-4350 as max with a 165 grain bullet. And a pressure of 57,000 at the loading. It's also listed as a compressed load, and velocity of 2934.

Hodgdon 4895 -- and that's all I have to say.

My 22" barreled 30/06 has developed a liking for 180 grain bullets and I can't get it to shoot 165's, however with 180 grain Sierra's and 56 grains of IMR-4350 it shoots in the 2725 fps range. Just so happens this is the most accurate load for it as well.
(WW brass and CCI primers).
I would think yours would push a bit faster with a lighter bullet but each rifle is unique.
Speed/fps is only a number to impress people if it is only going 2600 it will still kill very respectably.
Good luck with yours

For what its worth, it depends a bit on the bullet you are shooting. I shoot 180s and 200s in my 24" 30-06, and with Hornady SPs (56 IMR 4831) I get 2800 and with Nosler Partitions I get 2730 (about 55.5 IMR 4831). I haven't chrony'd the 200 Accubonds yet, but I am aiming for close to 2700, if I can.
One of my most accurate loads was with Rem 180 cor-locts with 54.0 IMR 4350. I don't know how fast it was, but it would put 6 in under an inch at 100 yards.

Good hunting,
Graham

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Originally posted by M70classic:
I shoot 180s and 200s in my 24" 30-06, and with Hornady SPs (56 IMR 4831) I get 2800 and with Nosler Partitions I get 2730 (about 55.5 IMR 4831). I haven't chrony'd the 200 Accubonds yet, but I am aiming for close to 2700, if I can.

Good hunting,
Graham

And that's why the old .30-06 is as popular as it is.....an awesome round by anyone's standards. Even the .300 Magnums offer very litte more when one considers what finally limits range.

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Originally posted by Wm.S.Ladd:
Hodgdon 4895 -- and that's all I have to say.

that's what I use but I have found that a maximum load of 51.3 gr behind a 150 gr speer gives about 2800 fps.

Don't get me wrong it is an accurate load that kills well, but I expected a bit faster from the published load data.

Update: I bought a box of Rem. 165gr corelocks and chronoed 5 shots. The ave. velocity was 2768 fps. I also chronoed loads of 58.5 to 59.5 of IMR 4350 in .5 gr increments. The 58.5 grain loads were almost the same as the factory loads. However the 59.5 load clocked 2828 fps and shot less than 1 inch at 100yards. I plan on tweaking this load to improve it. There were no pressure signs.

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I also chronoed loads of 58.5 to 59.5 of IMR 4350 i

you could work up to 62 grains from my experience.

It's a bit of compression but doable.

Also you can get some excellent loads using IMR-4064.

I have no trouble getting 2,900 in a 22" barrel with 165s.

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:
My 165 gr load (Hornady 165 SPBT) for the '06 uses 59.5 gr AA4350, WW cases, WLR primers, 3.25" AOL. Velocity is 2839 fps out of my 24" M70 with 58,300 psi(M43) and 2786 fps out of my 22" M98 '06. Equal charges of IMR4350 produce higher pressure with attendan higher velocity. I'd suggest you cautiously work up a little more. You should be able to achieve 2700+ fps without high pressures with IMR 4350.

Larry Gibson

None of us had chronos .When we had a range in a dead end valley of S Calif from the 100 yard berm several members practiced hitting rocks up the backdrop mountain @ 400 to 500 + yards ,with 165gr spitzers,58gr of imr 4831 rem ,Win & denver 42 & 43 brass with cci primers this practise was 3+ days per week with my sako finnbear 06 & then with my sako finnsport 300 wm using 72gr imr 4831,sierra 180gr gameking bullets .This practice paid off on my colorado hunting trips.