I am hearing about this 'new?' cartridge called the 350 Legend. I know nothing about it, but that it seems to be based on a small case, necked up to a 35 cal. (only my assumption as I am pulling what little data out of seeing posts for sale, etc (i.e. AR or mini MK X platforms indicate a 223 base.) I am just curious; I need a new caliber like a hog needs a sidesaddle. But if this is the new "whiz kid", what does it do? As I said, I am mainly curious. Oh, + of course, why am I seeing them for sale?

Norm you must have been asleep.

Go to the find tab type in 350 legend.

You will find it has been talked about here fairly often

Think, starting load 35 Rem, then you have it.

It's a cartridge designed to be legal for hunting deer sized game in populated areas that only permit the use of straight wall cartridges.

Several states have legalized the use of such cartridges in areas that were previously restricted to the use of shotguns only. Another such cartridge is the 450 Bushmaster.

Some salient points:
1: It is really a 9mm; Not a .358. To the consternation of those who wanted to reload it with common .358 bullets.
2: It was designed for deer hunting in states that require straight walls.
3: Yes, it is like a weak 35 Rem and will kill a deer, possibly.
4: It can be easily fired in an AR, thus appealing to young hunters who know nothing about guns.
5: It has ZERO recoil, thus appealing to old hunters who, in reality, know nothing about guns.
6: I wouldn't carry one to the trash pile, let along in the field.
7: I can't imagine any AR member using one for anything.
8: Otherwise, it is very popular in the midwest for reasons I enumerated above.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Some salient points:
1: It is really a 9mm; Not a .358. To the consternation of those who wanted to reload it with common .358 bullets.
2: It was designed for deer hunting in states that require straight walls.
3: Yes, it is like a weak 35 Rem and will kill a deer, possibly.
4: It can be easily fired in an AR, thus appealing to young hunters who know nothing about guns.
5: It has ZERO recoil, thus appealing to old hunters who, in reality, know nothing about guns.
6: I wouldn't carry one to the trash pile, let along in the field.
7: I can't imagine any AR member using one for anything.
8: Otherwise, it is very popular in the midwest for reasons I enumerated above.

You know, I really wish you'd stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think.

At least I didn't get any hate mail like I usually do.
Yet.

Dpcd
You should start building it on AR platforms and load the ammo with your favorite powder pyrodex

I can't believe you still remember my feelings on Pyrodex!

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Originally posted by dpcd:
At least I didn't get any hate mail like I usually do.
Yet.

I was going to send you some but I was thinking of having you do some work for me!

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The 350 has it's "moments"

A. you must use .355 dia bullets. don't try .358 as you are likely not to be able to chamber them.

B. W-W and Hornady factory ammo have crimped in primers just like the military ammo, but Federal does not. Must be because it is used on a AR Platform.

It is very effective on Deer at close to med range, just as it was designed to be.

very low recoil and young shooters love it.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
I can't believe you still remember my feelings on Pyrodex!

I was given several pounds of Pyrodex you can have all it if your supply is low.

Just come and pick it up.

I'll think about it. But I still have 4 pounds of the original Pyrodex that I got in 1976 when it first came out. I got it from Sumner's hardware in Louisville, which was also a huge gun store. I was shooting a lot of black powder and I thought; this is going to revolutionize muzzle loading. But it is very hard to ignite, which does make it safe, will not work in flintlocks, and actually eats brass and barrels 1000% more than black powder.
As you know, and for others who might not, it is pure crap and it killed the inventor, Dan Pawlak. After using. half pound, I immediately reverted back to real black powder.
Ok, I thought about it; thanks, but you should keep it.
Back to the 350, keeping on topic; Read my 8 bullet points above.

The .350 Legend is a godsend! It is a pitiful excuse of a cartridge, but its brass can be reformed into 7x33 Sako, allowing the handful of us who own one of those arcane rifles to now have plentiful brass for it.

Outside of forming 7x33 brass, it is just about as useful as a .351 Winchester.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Some salient points:
1: It is really a 9mm; Not a .358. To the consternation of those who wanted to reload it with common .358 bullets.
2: It was designed for deer hunting in states that require straight walls.
3: Yes, it is like a weak 35 Rem and will kill a deer, possibly.
4: It can be easily fired in an AR, thus appealing to young hunters who know nothing about guns.
5: It has ZERO recoil, thus appealing to old hunters who, in reality, know nothing about guns.
6: I wouldn't carry one to the trash pile, let along in the field.
7: I can't imagine any AR member using one for anything.
8: Otherwise, it is very popular in the midwest for reasons I enumerated above.

very well said!

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Some salient points:
1: It is really a 9mm; Not a .358. To the consternation of those who wanted to reload it with common .358 bullets.
2: It was designed for deer hunting in states that require straight walls.
3: Yes, it is like a weak 35 Rem and will kill a deer, possibly.
4: It can be easily fired in an AR, thus appealing to young hunters who know nothing about guns.
5: It has ZERO recoil, thus appealing to old hunters who, in reality, know nothing about guns.
6: I wouldn't carry one to the trash pile, let along in the field.
7: I can't imagine any AR member using one for anything.
8: Otherwise, it is very popular in the midwest for reasons I enumerated above.

very well said!

quote:

Originally posted by dpcd:
Some salient points:
1: It is really a 9mm; Not a .358. To the consternation of those who wanted to reload it with common .358 bullets.
2: It was designed for deer hunting in states that require straight walls.
3: Yes, it is like a weak 35 Rem and will kill a deer, possibly.
4: It can be easily fired in an AR, thus appealing to young hunters who know nothing about guns.
5: It has ZERO recoil, thus appealing to old hunters who, in reality, know nothing about guns.
6: I wouldn't carry one to the trash pile, let along in the field.
7: I can't imagine any AR member using one for anything.
8: Otherwise, it is very popular in the midwest for reasons I enumerated above.

My fairly new bride is new to guns and hunting. I purchased a 6.5 Manbun(creedmoor) for her and she thinks the recoil is brisk. So, I snatched up a 350 legend Ruger Ar. All your points are correct. She regularly lays down feral swine and it does so with authority. The .355 thing bugs me but, I figure I can size down my .358 casts to .357 or so and run them for plinking rounds. Deer dont take super mags to drop and neither does feral swine, no matter their size.

the 355 thing makes it illegal for the job it was,, umm stumble invented CYA'd into.

woulda been a lot easier to simply make some rifles in 358 maximum.
but I guess it wouldn't go through the pew-pew machines.

Not the reason; of course it will work equally well in AR platforms with a .003 bigger bullet; the actual reason it is a 9mm is because of the massive 9mm bullet making machinery already in use. Far greater production capacity than .358.
I just read above; you mean the rim; yes, not for ARs.
As for legality; I think most state laws specify "35" caliber. Which means the bore diameter; not the bullet. State lawmakers are not quibbling over thousandths of an inch.
Disclaimer; I have not researched all state laws.

This is from the current Ohio Hunting Regs. .355” is not .357”, but the .350 is legal.

In Iowa, when they introduced the straight wall rifle law, it specified ".350 Caliber".

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Originally posted by TX Nimrod:
This is from the current Ohio Hunting Regs. .355” is not .357”, but the .350 is legal.

Stupid law. So, I deer hunt with a 50 alaskan or a 50-110. I can't use my 30-30 or 35 Remongton. Mostly, I just deer hunt in Kentucky so I don't have to deal with the nonsense.

There is a new article in Handloader mag. about the .350L written by John Barsness!

Haven't read it yet.

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Game laws are not written by gun experts like all AR members. They are written by politicians, many of whom, think they are gun experts.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Game laws are not written by gun experts like all AR members. They are written by politicians, many of whom, think they are gun experts.

"The AR-15 shoots bullets 5,000 feet per second faster than any other gun."
"The 9mm will blow the lungs clear out of a person."
Joe Bidum

JOE BIDEN was dropped on his head too many times!

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apparently one time too few.