Does anybody load the 35 Rem in a bolt, pump or single shot? I load for a M600 Rem, using 200gr Hornady Sptz but have never loaded heavier bullets. My loads are way above the listed loads, but no pressure signs, does anybody have similar experiences. bigbull
Posts: 403 | Location: CANADA | Registered: 06 April 2004
I built a 1910 Mexican Mauser in 35 Rem and found out the same thing. I think the load manuals are written with rifles like the old Remington Mdl.8 and other non bolt actions in mind. Just about all my loads went a good bit over the max listed in the manuals before any of the common pressure signs showed up, case head expansion, flattened primers etc. I never did load anything heavier than the 200 gr. round nose.
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One of the loading data manuals stated that the 35 Remington was limited to the pressure limits of the guns chambered for it. They stated that is why one actually got higher velocities in the 14" contender barrel-higher pressures allowed in the TC design.
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I have shot loads with much higher pressure than the manuals list. My rifle is a 760 Remington pump which has a rotating bolt. Even with the hottest loads it extracts normally. the limiting factor is the thin wall of the .35 Remington brass at the junction of the case head and the body. With the hotter loads this thin junction bulges badly and limits safe case life. Even though badly bulged the primers still appear normal. The case is just too thin for very high pressure if you want long case life.
Big Bull, There is a chapter in a book called "Big Bore Rifles" on loading the 35 Remington to higher pressure for use in bolt guns and remington 760's. It lists some of the heavier bullet weights available (225, 250). It might be of interest to you.
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In a strong action I can see no reason that the .35 Remington shouldn't approximate the performance of the .358 Winchester and further It appears as though the .358 Winchester case can be resized to the .35 Remington dimensions if one has reservations about a weak case in the Rem case.
Further it's likely that the guns so chambered can be rechambered to .358 Win if one has a mind to.
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quote:Originally posted by vapodog: In a _strong action_ I can see no reason that the .35 Remington shouldn't approximate the performance of the .358 Winchester and further It appears as though the .358 Winchester case can be resized to the .35 Remington dimensions if one has reservations about a weak case in the Rem case.
Further it's likely that the guns so chambered can be rechambered to .358 Win if one has a mind to.
Very Good point vapodog, never thought of resizing from a stronger parent case. Thanks And thanks to all.. bigbull
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Big Bull - Clay Harvey did an excellent piece on the .35 Rem called, "Popular Sporting Rifle Calibers" in which he mentions higher powered loads than for the "levers". I use only Remington brass with 33.0gr. RL7 with a 200gr. bullet in my Marlin 336D without any problems and have read of at least 1 to 2 grains more for the pump and bolt actions. The case was not designed for any pressures approaching the .358 Winchester even though your rifle could certainly contain 52,000psi. (A resized .358 case may be a solution as suggested; I've never tried it.) I believe that the SAMI specs on the .35 Rem. calls for 35,000cup. I have also used 37.5gr. of RL12 with a 220gr. Speer for a velocity of 2020fps in my lever. Even though RL12 has been discontinued, I have a local dealer who seems to have plenty of it. Good luck - mags
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I load for my 760. The rifle is strong, but the case is small. The slowest powder yo use seem to be 3031. Factory loads for the 200 gr develope 1900 fps. With a 200 gr bullet & 3031 38 gr gives 1950 fps, 39 gr gives 2025 fps, 40 gr gives 2250 fps. At 40 gr you have a compressed load. It will never equal a 358, but it is still a real rifle. Good Luck!
I used to load the Speer 180-grain flatnose in a strong-actioned .35 with enough 3031 to produce 24290 FPS. No pressure signs, but I also thought the case was too weak to go beyond that level. This was not quite .358 Win. performance!!, which will give over 2400 FPS with the 250-grain Speer spitzer from a 20" barreled BLR.
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quote: used to load the Speer 180-grain flatnose in a strong-actioned .35 with enough 3031 to produce 24290 FPS
AAAHHHHH.....ElDeguello.....was that the Ackley Improved version???????
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Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003
quote:Originally posted by vapodog: In a _strong action_ I can see no reason that the .35 Remington shouldn't approximate the performance of the .358 Winchester and further It appears as though the .358 Winchester case can be resized to the .35 Remington dimensions if one has reservations about a weak case in the Rem case.
Sorry, but the 35 Rem has a case head size of .460 and the 358 is .473 inches. That's a bit too much squeezing to make the 35 from the 358.
Further it's likely that the guns so chambered can be rechambered to .358 Win if one has a mind to.
Posts: 1111 | Location: Afton, VA | Registered: 31 May 2003
Remington did (and perhaps still does) offer their custom shop model 7 KS in 35 rem. Nice short number. You see them for sale at the auction sites every once in a while.
Personally, I would go (and do go) with a 358 in a bolt gun - for deer I load it down to 35 rem ballistics...
quote:Originally posted by hawkins: I load for my 760. The rifle is strong, but the case is small. The slowest powder yo use seem to be 3031. Factory loads for the 200 gr develope 1900 fps. With a 200 gr bullet & 3031 38 gr gives 1950 fps, 39 gr gives 2025 fps, 40 gr gives 2250 fps. At 40 gr you have a compressed load. It will never equal a 358, but it is still a real rifle. Good Luck!
It is a real rifle indeed, my rifle has taken a few northern Saskatchewan whitetails and I never found it lacking in power. I want to strech it's trajectory a little and was thinking about going to a slightly faster burning powder so I don't bulk out befor I reach it's limits. I presently use 3031 but i'm bulking out before I can reach it's max load, hence my need for a faster burner, this might free up some space in the boiler room. My 600 only has a 18.5" barrel but so far 3031 is giving a clean complete burn. bigbull
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quote: Sorry, but the 35 Rem has a case head size of .460 and the 358 is .473 inches. That's a bit too much squeezing to make the 35 from the 358.
Can be done, at least for some guns. I've done it for a Contender using milsurp .308 brass. That .473 figure is nominal and has little to do with reality. .308 family brass typically runs from .462-.465.
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I have a M600 Remington in 35 Rem. Several years ago, I got the same craving to turn it into an almost 358 Win and worked up some pretty stiff loads. After a while, I realized that the hot rounds could really do nothing extra that the old tried and true 35 Rem loads couldn't do. I kills with authority just the way it is. If I needed extra reach, I'd ream it to 358 Win and get it that way. As it is, I have a classic, effective caliber in a neat, compact package that works just fine!
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