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Help with starting to relaod 454 Casull
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I was wondering if anyone could give me a basic list of what I will need to start reloading 454 ammo. I basically want to start out simple, but accurate. So I dont need anything fancy, but I also want equipment that will allow me to eventually also reload 45acp and experiment with different powders (so I guess I need a scale not just scoops?)

If I wanted to make my own bullets what would I need? Is it very time consuming and difficult to make your own bullets?

Also I need to know besides the equipment what will I need? A manual, brass, primers, bullets, powder...what else?

I have researched alot of different types of equipment, but I still dont really know what I need as opposed to all the fancy and time saving extras.

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Contact me off list at pgeobc@ipa.net, if you want.
This is going to get too long for here. I have loaded for 45 years now and load for the .454, so I can help.
 
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I got an RCBS Rockchucker kit and an RCBS Video, because I was overwhelmed with how to get started reloading.

If I were to advise someone on how to do it that was a friend, I would show him how, and then loan him enough stuff to do it at his home.

Telling someone how to do it on the internet, I would start out with the tasks that have to be done, and list the cheap tools to get, so the the guy can maintain a mental map of the goals:

1) Get the old primer out of the case, called depriming or decapping.
2) Make the case small enough in inside diameter to grip a bullet and small enough on the outside to fit in the chamber. This is called resizing.
Both steps 1) & 2) are usually accomplished in one step as the resizing die has a decapping pin. This will require:
a) Shell holder ~$3 Lee #11 shell holder or ~$5 RCBS #20 shell holder.
The same size shell holder can be used later for 45 Colt.
b) A resizing die. This die will probably be bought in a kit with one, two, or three other dies. In straight wall cartridges, carbide resizing dies are available at an extra cost. It is always worth the extra to get carbide. Adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set.
Lee 3 die set for 454 Casull; $21 steel, $23 carbide
RCBS 3 die set for 454 Casull: $36
c) A press. Lee Reloader press $20 is a real cheapee, but will always find a use. RCBS Rockchucker $90 is a workhorse of the highest quality.
3) Clean the case.
This step can be done with a couple twists of the wrist with steel wool, or expensive vibrators. Later when you get more tools, you will clean the primer pocket, but it is not needed.
4) Re prime the case.
a) One can buy a priming tool and do it in 2 seconds or fumble with the primer built into RCBS presses and do it 10 seconds.
Lee Auto prime II $13, RCBS priming tool $26
The two tools I mentioned use the same shell holder as used above in resizing. Beware that Lee also sells another priming system ["Lee auto prime" not "Lee auto primer II"] that uses special shell holders. I would avoid that system to start.
b) One must also buy, beg, borrow, or steal new primers.
To buy them mail order, one would have to pay a Hazardous Materials charge [Haz Mat]. Small purchases would be too expensive. Usually 100 primers can be purchased for $1 or $2 at the local gun store. Primers come in combinations of being; magnum or standard, pistol or rifle, and large or small. For 454 Casull, large pistol primers are what is needed, and will work with standard or magnum, but most published loads with be with standard primers.
5) Fill the case with powder. This is called charging the case. For this one will need powder and a way to measure powder. With black powder, one just fills the case, but with smokeless powder too much powder will fit. Start out using smokeless powder and measuring it. The amount to use depends on the bullet that will be used. The amount is published in load books, or better still on powder manufacturer's web sites for free.
a) Buy powder. There is the Haz Mat problem again, so off to the neighborhood gunstore. Any "pistol powder" will do. Expect to pay ~$20 for a pound in a gunstore. I like 2400 or Unique powder made by Alliant, but many other powders will do like LIL'GUN or H110 by Hodgdon, but the 2400 is powerful and can be downloaded, and the Unique is not as powerful but very accurate and can also be downloaded. Reduced loads are not good with H110.
http://recipes.alliantpowder.com/rg.taf?_function=pistolrevolver&step=2&bulletID=428&cartridgeID=1122&caliber=%2E454&cartridgedescr=Casull&bulletdescr=Hornady%20300%20gr%20XTP
b) Measure the powder. This can be done with cheap plastic measuring cups with handles from Lee, but I would start out weighing the powder. The weighing scales: Lee Perfect powder measure $20, RCBS Uniflow Powder measure $60 [this tool is really nice]
6) Install the bullet. This is called seating the bullet.
a) Buy bullets. For 454 Casull .451" and .452" bullets are normally used. You can buy lead bullets or lead bullets covered with copper called jacketed bullets. I would start out with jacketed bullets. These will cost you 7 to 50 cents each and usually bought in 100's.
b) The seating die should have come in the reloading die kit. Put it in the press and put the primed and charged case in the shell holder. Set the bullet on top of the case and raise the ram [push down on the press lever]
c) Measure the over all length of the cartridge [OAL]. This can be done with a ruler, but is best done with dial calipers. Expect to pay $20 for some Chinese calipers or $100 for American.
7) Crimp the case into the bullet. This means the case must pinch the bullet so hard that recoil will not yank the bullet out when other chambers of the revolver are fired [or so the bullet will not get shoved deeper into the case from recoil in magazine or tube fed cartridge]. The type of crimp depends on the type of cartridge. The rimmed 454 Casull case should be roll crimped. The rimless 9mm cartridge should be taper crimped. The crimping step can be done in one step with the bullet seating, but I would start out doing it in two separate steps. The two steps look the same [cartridge goes into seating die], but can be different in how the seating die is adjusted. Again, adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set and with the seating die, there is also the adjustment of the seating stem [knurled knob on top of the die].
8) Take notes when you shoot your handloads. Write on the targets. Things like "230gr. bullets shot way low, but 300 gr. bullets were right on." will come in handy next time you sit down to reload or buy bullets.

>From the above it looks like it will cost $110 to get started.
That is 1/3 of what it cost ME to get started.

There are more steps to loading a bottle shaped rifle cartridge, and even more to get them to be very accurate, but after one masters the 454 Casull, it will make more sense.

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Clark is dead on (with great detail) except for the fact that the 454 Casull uses a Small Rifle Primer as opposed to a Large Pistol Primer. Mr. Casull felt that the Small Rifle Primer would allow the cartridge to withstand higher pressure while creating a stronger ignition than a large pistol primer. Freedom Arms recommends magnum primers be used in 454 reloads (all primer sizes are available in both standard and magnum strength.)

The 454 is a relatively easy cartridge to reload for, vastly easier than a bottlenecked rifle cartridge.

Both Lee and RCBS offer excellent starter kits for reloaders.
 
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Thanks for correcting me on the 454 primers.
I knew that in one part of my brain, but the 45Colt cases in front of me have large primers, and the eyeball part of my brain made the mistake.
 
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Read, then read some more. Modern Reloading by Richard Lee is what I would consider required reading for somebody wanting to get started.
Just remember who wrote the book. He does a lot of horn blowing.
Still a lot of good information.
The 454 is easy as is any straight wall case. Just keep your head on straight.
 
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