Sounds like they are really long bullets compared to their wt. A guy reported that the 180 is only .017" short of 200 AB's. Maybe it would be cool for Nosler to try some "unusual" wt per caliber. Like say.....a 160 for .308. It would probably be as long or longer than 180 cup and core and outperform them too. It could turbo charge some 308's, 30-06's and wsm's into some high speed big game thumpers. I'm sure reloaders would go crazy and say they just can't reload for it without data but I think anyone with half a brain could "work up" from 165 data. hmmmmmm.....just a wish that will probably never happen.