My father has severe arthritis, and I have been doing some research on reduced recoil loads. He shoots a 30-06. The data I have is for a 150 gr. Speer bullet on top of 25 gr. of SR 4759. I know that I cannot just swap out a 100 gr. bullet for a 150 gr. bullet using the same powder charge, therefore, where would I start as far as charges go with a wider 100 gr. bullet?

The speer reloading manual no 13 says

100gr bullet
SR 4759 16gr 1548fps and 20gr 1960fps. 20gr is the max load in this manual.

Thank you very much

Just be aware that most 100gr bullets are intended for varmints and may not hold together on big game.

I have worked a lot with this powder and this round ( the 06)....

25 grains can be swapped out.. in fact with a 110 grain bullet, IMR had data listed as high as 35 grains with a 110 grain bullet...

Faster powders have different parameters than slower powders.. they reach pressure quicker, so a lot of times there is not much difference in powder charge between light bullets and heavy bullets.... In the 06 range, tho, there are so many different bullet weights and such an extreme spread...

Depending on how big your deer are that you are hunting.. and you still want to use the 30/06....

25 grains and a 110 grain bullet, like a Hornady SP or a Sierra HP would be decent choices....

the 110 grain Round Noses are intended for 30 Carbines and are not that accurate...

a 125 grain Ballistic Tip or a 125 Sierra or a 130 Speer SP also would be good choices....

Most guys who post negative ideas on reduced loads or use of fast powders usually have no worked with them, or are just passing on witches tales that they have heard....

IMR lists even a max charge of 27 grains of SR 4759 with a 220 grain bullet...

Max for a 150 grain is 31 grains... for an MV of 2365 fps...

29.5 grains for a 180 grainer ... with an MV of 2135 fps...

and 28.5 for a 200 grainer, with an MV of 2000 fps....

for a 110 grain bullet the max charge was 35 grains of SR 4759 for an MV of 2820 fps....

All IMR published Data for SR 4759.....

cheers
seafire

Seafire,

Always good info!!! Your Blue Dot data is great!!

Have you tried any reduced loads with N110 or AA2015?

I'm looking for something like 1500 fps or so and a 300 gr cast out of my 450 Marlin. I also have thoughts about using 45 cal/40 cal sabots to push a 180 gr 40 cal out of the 450 Marlin....just playin around.

BTW...is it true a judge in Oregon said it's OK to have sex in public there now????....Kinda like Bangkok only cheaper to get there!!

FYI In my .308 with 110 gr. round nose soft points 3 shot 3/8" grps at 50 yds. were obtained at 2600 fps. using 4759 and 2400.

In the 30-06 respectable accuracy was obtained with the Rem. 110 rn but none of the faster powders were used.

The point is that with the right rifle and the right charge the soft point round noses will give you fine accuracy; at least mine did. roger

Have you thought of putting a muzzle brake on the rifle? I had one done for my dad and it now kicks like a 222 remington with 165 gr. bullets.

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Originally posted by HL:
Have you thought of putting a muzzle brake on the rifle? I had one done for my dad and it now kicks like a 222 remington with 165 gr. bullets.

HL is right. At least 8 of my rifles have home made muzzle brakes on them and I would not have it any other way. I guess as a senior citizen I'm getting a bit dainty.

Really though it is a good idea.It may not make him a whole lot of friends at the range at first but they'll get over it and might be looking for the like a few years down the road. roger

A muzzle break is a good idea, really. I was just hoping to keep it more on the cheap, so I will keep them in mind for Christmas. Thanks again

Hmmmmm....a Christmas break...there's an idea!!

Flying Ace,

My late dad had severe arthritis as well. He used the 125 gr Sierra from the 30-06 with 46 grs of 3031. That is an accurate load.

The 50% rule works well with Imr 4759. That means half of a full charge of regular powder by weight but using 4759. So if an 06 fills with 58 grs then 58/2 = 29 grs of IMR's 4759. Those are always decent loads.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/reduced_recoil_reloads.htm

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Originally posted by Lowrider 49:
Seafire,

Always good info!!! Your Blue Dot data is great!!

Have you tried any reduced loads with N110 or AA2015?

I'm looking for something like 1500 fps or so and a 300 gr cast out of my 450 Marlin. I also have thoughts about using 45 cal/40 cal sabots to push a 180 gr 40 cal out of the 450 Marlin....just playin around.

BTW...is it true a judge in Oregon said it's OK to have sex in public there now????....Kinda like Bangkok only cheaper to get there!!

Low Rider:

I don't know about a Judge Saying it was okay to have sex in public... Anything like that would probably come out of Portland, Salem or Eugene ( with honorable mention locally to Ashland)....

of course the liberals up there were also saying that Same sex marriages were okay.....

So knowing those lefty liberals up there, they probably ruled that Sex in Public was okay if It was with between the SAME SEXUAL GENDER.... but sex between two adults who were NOT the SAME would be illegal....

you KNOW how liberals think....

cheers
seafire

FlyingAce, you might want to consider using Sierra's 135 grain Single-shot pistol bullet. It should work fine with lighter loads that can be tolerated by your Dad, and still be usable on Deer sized game. SR-4759 is a fine powder to use with reduced loads, you may have to work up an accurate load.

I've spent some time working with the Lyman manuals and Ken Waters Pet Loads working on a "30/30'06" load (150 @ 2300) and to duplicate the Remington 30'06 Managed Recoil 125 @ 2550. Several loads with RL7, IMR4198, and IMR3031 will get you there. So far accuracy runs 1-1/2 to 2 MOA (in a 1-1/4 inch rifle) which is sufficient for my purposes but might benefit from some more work. Good hunting!