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Want to start loading Quality 30-06 hunting loads. Ballistic repeatability (trajectory) more important than the number of rounds per hour produced. Looking for the best single stage with easiest set-up. What do you all think of the: (1) Hornady, Lock-N-Load Classic Dillon, I don't believe makes a single stage, and their tool heads look a bit sloppy to me, though they have a great rep. Kind of leaning towards the Hornady at this time, though I know RCBS has a better rep. What do you all think? Phil | ||
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Hornady 007 is a great press also! RCBS Rockchucker is also hard to beat! I have been using both for 10 years & I load & shoot 1500-2000 rounds a year! | |||
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You may as well go all the way and get the best, forester/bonanza co-ax. It will be faster even than the Hornady lock&load, simply slip the die/lockring into the slot and start loading. No need for shell holders either. Best case bullet run-out is achieved without hassle. ------------------ | |||
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<goneballistic> |
Another top quality press is the Redding Ultramag. A little much though, for just loading .30-06. | ||
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RCBS RockChucker | |||
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The easiest to set up is the Co-Ax, no shell holder to fool with and dies snap in. For just a great press you can`t go wrong with a Rockchucker. | |||
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<Steve in MI> |
RCBS chucker is a good press. priced right as well. If you plan on do large magnums you might look at a AXE instead. My chucker is tight on 300 RUM stuff. | ||
<holtz> |
The Rockchucker is the press by which all others are measured. Steve | ||
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Figgured on doing the 30-06 first just to get started. Thought maybe it would be the easiest. Never reloaded before, and as I said. I'm more interested in quality than quanity. But also have a 300 Weatherby Mag., 375 H&H Mag., and 450 Marlin guide gun in rifles, and 44 mag SBH, and 480 SRH in pistols to worry about. Happy ThanksGiving All! Phil | |||
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<Ben H> |
Forster/Bonanza Co-Ax..............Try it and you won't look back. | ||
<JCCD> |
I agree with Grizz and Ben H. I've used the rockchucker and it is a great press, but I recently bought a Forster Co-Ax and I like it better. | ||
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I have a Rockchucker and and UltraMag. I learned to handload with my Rockchucker and it always worked. However, when I started to load larger cartridges(.416 Rigby...) it was adequate, but not ideal. I picked up a Redding UltraMag and put the Rockchucker back in the box it came in. The UltraMag has room to spare for any sporting cartridge. One thing I noticed is that all Redding presses that I have used(my uncle has a Boss and Turret press from Redding) have much less play/slop in the linkage that my old Rockchucker. Other RCBS presses I have worked with have this play as well. Slop in the linkage may or may not matter. If you think that your loading may eventually "grow" into the need for a larger press get the UltraMag. Otherwise get the Rockchucker or take a look at the Redding Boss. | |||
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<Don Krakenberger> |
Questions about the forester co ax. Do all dies snap into place--rcbs, hornady, redding, and forester?? Also-is it big enough to handle something as long as the 30-378?? Lastly does it give more leverage than a rock chucker (make it easier to resize)?? Thanks much--I'm getting that "have to have one" feeling. | ||
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Why not get a RCBS A-2, then if you ever want to load for a big rifle like a 404,505 or even a 300 Wby, 300 H&H or 375 H&H, you will have room to work and you won't have to buy another press..do it right the first time...save some bucks. ------------------ | |||
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I have a Rockchucker and couldn't be happier. The Hornady L-N-L system seems like a clever idea, but is just another thing that could cause problems down the road. I haven't used the Redding press, but use their dies and am impressed with their quality. | |||
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<Jeff S> |
Its a matter of degrees and diminishing returns. Its also a case where technique is more importnat than the tools. The Forester Coax is a great press but it also will set you back $200. The Rockchucker at around $90 has been around for decades and is also a great press. Mine is nearly 25 years old. Learning how to set up your dies and take out the slop in the threads will generally yield a more accurate reloading setup than either you or your gun can take advantage of. This is a generalization and like all generalizations will fall on its face when you begin the "what ifs." I load HP match ammo on my Dillon 550b and it is easily more consistent and accurate than ammo loaded on my Rockchucker. It took me a long time to believe that but its true. Unless you are a benchrest shooter with a super accurate gun, any of the O type frame presses will serve you quite well. You will easily be able to produce super accurate ammo with these machines but you have to understand proper technique and, of course, the shooter and the gun have to be able to handle the loads on the range. | ||
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quote: Answers: 1. Just about all dies will work, IF you buy some Forster rings for them. The only exception I know of is the Redding competition seater dies...they're too tall to clear the handle. The Forster die accomplishes the same task and is about an inch shorter. Go figure. 2. Definitely. 3. I'm not sure of the specifics, but here is a quote from their catalog: "Our Co-Ax� Press has three times the mechanical advantage of an ordinary "C" press. It's so effortless, full length sizing can actually be accomplished by operating the handle of the press with the little finger! There's no pain but plenty of gain." Here's another bit of info from Forster: "When we originally tested our unique shell holder design, we full length sized two-hundred once-fired 300 H&H Magnum cases dry and unlubricated. We neither pulled the rims off the cases nor did we stick a case in the die. The heads of the cases and rims were unmarked by the shell holder jaws because the shell holder actually floats and permits the cartridge case to find its exact center in the die." Don't believe it when people say this is just another press, or that the RockChucker is its equal. However, it's not the only good one, of course. If you want to know a good group of presses to choose from, simply look in the Sinclair catalog. If they choose to sell it, you'll be happy with it. Good luck, | |||
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Some good advice here especially from RSY. I get by with a Rockchucker and use a RCBS Jr press at the range. I think all the presses mentioned with good loading techniques and dies will serve for most purposes. Now if you are going to shoot benchrest competition I might consider an arbor press and dies. sure-shot | ||
<BigBob> |
Greyghost, For reloading prime, accurate ammunition I don't think the RCBS Rockchucker can be beat. I've been loading almost fifty years and have had several different presses, including an old Hollywood. When RCBS came out with the Rockchucker, I stopped changeing presses. I'm now on my third. When one gets loose and accuracy seems to slip I send it back to RCBS and it comes back as good as new. Concerning your comment about the Dillon, I have a 550B, and I agree with you. The Dillon is the best thing I've found for loading good pistol ammo, but it's not rigid enough for top rifle loads. I load a lot of .223R for friends with AR-15s on my Dillon, but I do my resizing in the Rockchucker using a Dillon 1200 trimmer. In one step I resize and trim all cases. | ||
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LEE LEE LEE LEE | ||
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Lots of good advice here, and different opinions. Since you stated you never reloaded before, I assume you know you will need more than just a press. I started with an RCBS Master Reloading kit. It comes with everything you need except dies, shell holder, powder, bullets, primers, and brass. I've had mine for a while and recommended the kit to a friend who ordered one also. He's still a friend. | |||
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My experience is probably more limited than a lot here, but I have and like the Hornady Classic (lock-n-load). JMac is right though, LNL is not that big a deal, I guess it would be ok if you FL resized every time -- if not, you're still adjusting your dies a lot. My other experiece is with the Lee -- not bad for the money, but once you try something really nice, you probably won't want to go back. I'm not sure what the capacity is on the Hornady-- anyone know re: ultramag length rounds? Todd | |||
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<Gary Rihn> |
I'm perfectly happy with my Rockchucker, see no reason to change. | ||
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Ray, when you mention the RCBS A-2 and getting it right the first time. Are you talking about their "AmmoMaster" single stage press. Phil | |||
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<phurley> |
I have used a Rockchucker for 30 years without a complaint. I am always willing to listen to the experts. Someone will have to have convincing evidence to make me change. Good shooting. | ||
<D. Butt> |
Turner's ,was and may still be , running a sale on Rockchucker Master kit $229.00 | ||
<Magnummaniac> |
I am using a RCBS Rock Chucker for years, still happy with it. Maybe there are better once, but the price is ok. I'm using it for Rifle (up to 300 WinMag) and Pistol Ammo. The RCBS Starterkit is a good choice for starting reloading. | ||
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If you reload multiple calibers, you will likely tire of screwing dies into an O-press. I know that I have! I've gone to a turret press, but the co-ax is the solution to the issue of having a quality single stage press, but not spending lots of time screwing dies in and out. I currently load 6.5X55, .308, 35 whelen AI 357 mag and 480 ruger. I've loaded at least 2 to 3 times that many of other rounds. I load between 100 rounds a month to 100 a week, sometimes just one caliber, sometimes 3 calibers in a week. There is a point where certain tasks take enough time to justify upgrading. I don't shoot enough of a single round for a progressive, but say go Co-ax, you won't be sorry. I'm working on a trade for one, and will be selling my turret press once I get the co-ax. | |||
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quote: Phil, No, Ray is not talking about the Ammomaster. The A2 is an older model RCBS press and is quite a workhorse. I was fortunate enough to use one for years and will retrieve it one of these days. You'll only find them used and they are apparently rather expensive, but a great press. | |||
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