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I am getting ready to start reloading. I have been aquiring the necessary equipment, but have been in the reading stages.
The first round I want to start reloading is the 358 winchester, for a Browning BLR.
I have read quite a bit about the cartridge, have read a few reloading manuals about appropriate loads-but I still have certain questions that none of the literature I am reading addresses, or the topic between the books is often in conflict.
I will be hunting in conditions where 30 to 75 yard shots will be the norm, while a shot as far as 150 yards MIGHT present itself. But the reality is that I have NEVER had a shot on a deer beyond 100 yards. I have read articles in which the writer says "slow" is best, when hunting close cover. Is this true, and if this is the case, should I be focusing more on the minimum loads that the manuals provide, or am I way off base? Lets say hypothetically that I work a load, and the minumum end, and the maximum are identical, accuracy wise- do I go with the minimum? Somewhere in between?
Another aspect I am having difficulty with is bullet size. I have read several articles which say that the 358 winchester is more affective with heavier bullets. I have also read that in close cover shooting, you want to go with a heavier bullet. But the manuals I have read so far say that a 180 grain or 200 grain bullet should be used for deer-what they do not address, is how far away is that deer. If you are shooting at only fifty yards, would a heavier bullet be more appropriate, than if you were shooting at 200 yards?
I was thinking about 225 GRAIN BULLET- is there something wrong with that choice, under the conditions I outlined? I realize there are differing opinions on the slow fast close cover thing, but I would appreciate any opinions, advice on the subject.
 
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I like the 220g Speer flatpoints over 50g of Win 748 out of my Rem M78 bolt rifle. I hunt deer in the woods where ranges are from real close to 75 yards or so. I get big holes, complete penetration, and, large short blood trails if they go anywhere. Plateau Hunter
 
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I was thinking about 225 GRAIN BULLET-


You was thinking about the right bullet for the cartridge...so don't go over-thinkin' it. Wink




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I prefer the 180 Speer and have used the 200 gr Silvertip. Don't worry about the short range.

A 180 gr bullet at 2700 fps is good for deer.


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My favorite load for the .358 is a 225gr Nos partition in front of 47.0grs of H-335. Win cases and primers.
This load is very good close up and retains velocity and energy well downrange approaching 300 yds.
If your rifle shoots it well I think you will be happy with it.
For general purpose shooting and practice I use the same load but with the Sierra 225gr SpitzerBT.


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I shoot a .350 Remington rather than a .358; however, the bullets are the same.

Given what you're doing--deer at relatively short ranges--my first choice would probably be the 220 gr. Speer. If I was hunting heavier game, I'd look at the 225 Nosler (which, in truth, would be fine for deer, too).

As far as whether "slow is best," I wouldn't put too much stock in that; it's probably better to say "slow is adequate." Start with the lighter loads and work upward, paying attention to which provides the desired degree of accuracy. All things being equal, I tend to go with the hottest SAFE load (and yes, I'm one of those conservative folks who believes the manuals) that also provides good accuracy.
 
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Go to www.35cal.com. There's some pretty good info there. Especially, check out the article by Paco Kelly on the ,358.
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Thanks everyone. Starting to feel a little more at ease.
 
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