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With all our expertise and experience, maybe we could come to some conclusions: This is the way it works: List all the rifles by manufacturer for which you have loaded for and shot yourself Give an honest assessment of accuracy from 1 to 10 Your credibility factor will depend upon how many different rifles you have loaded for. Start at 10 for a rifle that consistently shoots 1/4" and subtract 1 for each 1/4" bigger. i.e. 1/2" = 9, 3/4" = 8, 1" = 7, 1 1/4" = 6, 1 1/2" = 5, 1 3/4" = 4, 2" = 3, 2 1/4" = 2, 2 1/2" = 1, and anything worse 0 Example Sako 270 - 10 Sako 300 - 7 Sako TRG-S 300 - 3 Sako 338 - 5 Sauer 30-06 - 5 Winchester pre-64 264 - 7 Weatherby 30-06 - 6 Browning 270 - 6 Browning 7mm - 7 Please limit to factory rifles. In the above example, note that there were 9 different rifles, so the average for 4 Sakos gets counted 9 times, 25/4 = 6.25, so Sako gets 9 each 6.25 scores, Sauer gets 9 ea 5, Winchester gets 9 ea. 7, Weatherby gets 9 ea. 6, and Browning gets 9 ea. 6.5. Trying to give weight to amount of reloading, so even though there was only 1 Sauer reloaded, the experience factor for looking for a load is 9. Please note that even though I love Sakos, there was that TRG-S that I couldn't bring in amd I listed it like that. If this seem inane, pass on it. I'm just bored and need to stir up some #@*& and maybe learn something. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | ||
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Remington 788 (308 Win) - 9 Savage 110CL (243) - 8 Savage 110CL (22.250) - 9 Ruger MkII (7 Mag) - 7 * Winchester Pre-64 M70 (25.06) - 6 Winchester Classic M70 (375 H&H) -7 Remington 700 (338) - 6 Ruger Mini 30 (223) - 0 Remington 700 (270) - 4 Savage 11G (300 WSM)- 8 Ruger MKII (243) - 7 These are the rifles that either did so well or did so poorly that I had to spent a lot of time in load development, so they stick in my mind. * The Ruger in 7 Mag is a 1" shooter with only one bullet (140 grain TSX) otherwise it's a 2" gun. The most consistent brand for me appears to be Savage. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Rem 700 270- 9 Rem 700 7RM- 9.75 Weatherby MKV 7WM- 9 Weatherby MKV 270WM- 9 Savage 16 300WSM- 8.5 Savage 110 30-06- 8 Browning BAR 300 WM w/ Boss- 7 Browning BAR 300 WM- 0 Browning BAR 270- 5 Rem 7600 270- 5 Marlin 336 30-30- 7 H&R 25-06- 7 Rem 700 30-06- 6 That's the most recent rifles I've loaded for (All w/in the last year). I would have to say that the Rem 700s I've loaded for seem to be the most consistent in the accuracy department and they also were the least picky for bullet and powder combos. Most of the others had load after load ran thru them before they showed any consistency but, w/ their pet load they were quite nice shooters. Good Luck! Reloader | |||
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So far: Browning - 24 @ 5.4 H & R - 13 @ 7 Marlin - 13 @ 7 Remington - 24 @ 6.9 Ruger - 11 @ 4.6 Sako - 9 @ 6.25 Sauer - 9 @ 5 Savage - 24 @ 8.3 Weatherby - 24 @ 7.9 Winchester - 20 @ 6.7 What does this prove so far - I have too much time on my hands!! No, need more data. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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Weatherby SVM 220 Swift - 10 Weatherby ULW 300Wby - 8 Weatherby Accumark 30-378Wby - 7 Ruger 77 220 Swift - 8 Ruger 77 7mm RemMag - 6 | |||
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Winchester 70 375 H&H 4 Winchester-Hart 70 7mm STW 7 Winchester Stealth 70 308 9 Remington 700 300 WinMag 8 Remington 700 30.06 7 Remington 700 30.06 6 Remington 700 7mm RemMag 8 Remington-Hart 700 270 8 Remington 700 243 9 Remington 700 243 8 Browning A-bolt 300 WinMag 7 Browning MicroMed 243 7 Savage 110 7mm RemMag 7 Savage-Hart 110 270 8 Savage-Shilen 110 25.06 8 Savage 110 243 5 Ruger-Shilen 77 270 7 Weatherby Accumark 340 WbyMag 5 Weatherby Lazermark 257 WbyMag 0 Sako 7mm RemMag 6 Tikka 695 338 WinMag 5 Omega III 7mm RemMag 5 Woods, you asked for factory rifles only but almost all of my guns have been modified a little. If rebarrelled, it's noted, some have been lapped, some have been crowned, everything with a pressure point in the stock has been floated. The key word was "consistently". This is what I feel the guns will do (would have done if I no longer have them) for 5-shot groups on days when I'm shooting well. I second Reloader's comments about the Remington 700, especially for the small calibers. | |||
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Well, lets see now: .17Rem Rem.700BDL .222Rem. Rem.40XBBR 10 .222Rem Sako Varminter 9 .222Rem Mag. Sako 9 .22-250 Savage 110 9 .243Win. Savage 110 8 .6mmRem. Rem. VLS 9 6.5x55 Rem 700 Classic 8 7mmRem.Mag. Rem 700BDL 8 .308Win. Browning Micro-med. 7 I have 3 others, but they have Hart SS varmint barrels on them and wouldn't qualify as factory rifles now. Best wishes. Cal - Montreal Cal Sibley | |||
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Whoops. Give that .17 Rem. above an 8. Thanks. Cal - Montreal Cal Sibley | |||
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Update listed by - Manufacturer, experience modifier (total number of rifles loaded for by any respondent who has loaded for this manufacturer), # rifles by this manufacturer, total score, average score Browning - 53, 8, 46.0, 5.8 H & R - 13, 1, 7.0, 7.0 Marlin - 13, 1, 7.0, 7.0 Remington - 55, 19, 145.8, 7.7 Ruger - 37, 6, 35, 5.8 Sako - 40, 7, 49.0, 7.0 Sauer - 9, 1, 5.0, 5.0 Savage - 55, 11, 86.5, 7.9 Tikka - 21, 1, 5.0, 5.0 Weatherby - 48, 8, 54.0, 6.8 Winchester - 41, 6, 40.0, 6.7 Example: For Browning rifles, the shooters who have loaded for Brownings have reloaded for 53 total rifles which should mean that there is a lot of experience and credibility there. Even though they have only reloaded for 8 Browning rifles, the total points given and score is only 5.8. For Savages and Remingtons there has been a lot of reloading and the scores are good. Everything is beginning to look like we all could have predicted. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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