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I have both a Barnes & Nosler manual. I have some Barnes 120 gr TSSX BT bullets for my 7mm08. I had been using 45 grains of IMR 4350 with this bullet with ok results on grouping at 100 yds. I was interested in seeing what if any difference could be made in the rifle's accuracy by tweaking the powder charge. Barnes doesn't list IMR4350 for this bullet weight. It is the minimum charge listed in the Nosler manual with a 120 grain ballistic tip. I have changed the seating depth of the bullets to where they just fit into the magazine but chamber without touching the lands. I have loaded a few with this new seating depth with the 45.0 grain charge. When I loaded the next few rounds with 45.5 grains I noticed the load seemed to be compressed. I experienced no abnormal pressure signs with the 45 grains and a slightly deeper seating depth with the same bullet. Is there much if any chance I'll be flirting with excessive pressures with this extra half grain of powder? Maybe some of you have a suggested load for this caliber with the Barnes 120 grain bullet and the IMR 4350 powder. BTW this is the only powder I've ever used in my .270, .243 & 7mm08. I was obviously trying to stay with the same powder. Thanks for any suggestions. | ||
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Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 120, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30298 Useable Case Capaci: 47.971 grain H2O = 3.115 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : IMR 4350 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -20.0 82 36.00 2208 1299 26040 6362 77.2 1.434 -18.0 84 36.90 2261 1362 27583 6599 78.6 1.399 -16.0 86 37.80 2315 1428 29223 6836 79.9 1.365 -14.0 88 38.70 2369 1495 30970 7071 81.2 1.332 -12.0 90 39.60 2424 1565 32826 7305 82.5 1.299 -10.0 92 40.50 2479 1638 34812 7537 83.8 1.267 -08.0 94 41.40 2535 1712 36925 7766 85.0 1.236 -06.0 96 42.30 2591 1789 39180 7992 86.2 1.205 -04.0 98 43.20 2647 1867 41588 8213 87.4 1.175 -02.0 100 44.10 2704 1949 44162 8429 88.5 1.146 +00.0 102 45.00 2761 2032 46915 8640 89.6 1.117 +02.0 104 45.90 2819 2117 49863 8844 90.7 1.088 +04.0 106 46.80 2877 2205 53024 9041 91.7 1.060 ! Near Maximum ! +06.0 108 47.70 2935 2295 56417 9231 92.6 1.031 ! Near Maximum ! +08.0 110 48.60 2994 2388 60062 9412 93.5 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +10.0 113 49.50 3052 2483 63986 9583 94.4 0.974 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 102 45.00 2923 2276 55653 9020 95.8 1.040 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 102 45.00 2570 1760 39065 7933 80.7 1.205 A little compression is not normally an issue. You are not close to max pressure per QL As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Thanks. Just curious about where you got this load data? | |||
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Simply a run from QuickLoad software. Your exact OAL and capacity would change it slightly. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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I think your choice of powder is fine for 140 to 160 gr bullets but a bit slow for the 120 gr. H4350 is perfect for the 243 & 100 gr bullets. It should be fine for the 270 & 130 gr bullets though the real experts might disagree. For your 7mm 08 & 120 gr TSX, I would use Varget or similar powder. I have tried VV N150 & Re15 as well. You need to check your loads on a chronograph. You should get 3050 fps or so according to the Barnes manual. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Thanks for the suggestion. | |||
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Just a thought. If you do not mind my asking - how long have you been reloading? Just to be cautious - I would suggest a couple of things in case you are not aware. Firstly - pressure goes up exponentially - in other words pressure goes up faster than velocity. Beyond a particular point - you do not get any increase in velocity but pressure keep rising at a faster rate. You will not have a problem with IMR 4350 & 120 gr TSX as the powder is too bulky to cause pressure problems unless you really force a heavily compressed load. But you could have serious trouble with pressure if you used a faster powder. So please take note! Secondly - always remember that the monometal bullets like TSX etc will cause pressure spike if seated too close to the lands of the rifle. Barnes recommends a minimum 0.050 inch seating away from the lands for these bullets. The copper bullet is harder than normal lead core bullets and so it does not squeeze through as quickly & hence the pressure spike. Again - a chronograph is critical. Once you know you are near max velocity, you need to stop increasing the powder charge. Have fun and be safe. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Actually I have been reloading since 1985. I only reloaded .270 Win and .243 Win all of those years and strictly for deer hunting and enjoyment. I never experimented with loads and always kept to the "middle" load listed in my Speer manual. My wife of 36 years got interested in my favorite sport, deer hunting in 2009 and after seeing she was serious added the 7mm08 as her rifle. She's actually a better shot than me having killed two deer this year at over 200 yds. Anyway I have just recently gained an interest in trying to fine tune a load for each of the three deer rifles that we have. I don't own a chronograph. Probably a mere "rookie" at reloading to most of you on this forum, but I enjoy reading the posts and gathering information and I do appreciate your interest in my questions. | |||
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