Has anyone bought the new Nosler book? I just looked at mine and found myself let down. Just wanted some input to see if its me or the book.

Why were you let down? I was thinking of purchasing one this weekend. Tell me more.

"Why were you let down? I was thinking of purchasing one this weekend. Tell me more"

Yes,yes. Inquiring minds would like to know - especially before they run out and spend their money.
Bear in Fairbanks

What`s not to like? The new short mags are well covered and other additions such as the 5.56 NATO have been made, their new Accu-Bond bullets are listed, Ramshot powders have been added, the data has been retested in most cases......

Turn to page 32 in vol. 5 and vol. 6 they are the same. Not much time spent on this book. Just wanted to see more and new loads with RL25 and Rutumbo. Mybe its just me, looks like a lot of effort for the same book. Just my $.02

#6 includes loads with both Retumbo and R25, #5 has neither in it. They aren`t however suited to many cartridges and may not be used in the one you are look at. No one book can list all powders in all cartridges. The topic on pg 32 is tooling and its use. I`ve yet to see any manual change their write up on the subject over the last 35 or so years. No real suprise there.
Sorry you`re not happy, but I feel it is an improvment. JMO......

What I'd like to know is if they REALLY tested new bullets or did they just lump them with the old data.

For example; I called Nosler when the 140 AB came out in 270. I called for load data and was told that it did best with XXXX powder (can't remember now). BUT, it just so happened that the powder and charge matched all the previous 140 bullets. So I got the sense that they never bothered testing it, rather, they just added it to the existing list.

Low and behold, same thing happened with my 30.06.

I used to think that upgrading all load data as it became available was the way to go, and still feel that way to a degree, but if a company is going to produce a new bullet, I'd really like to know if it was truly tested or just placed where all of the previous, same wt. bullets are.

If that is the case, I have no intentions of buying yet another manual.

Does it have any 458 Socom loads listed?

Ol' Joe nailed it.
I have Nosler #6, and feel it was worth the $$$$.

Don

Ol'Joe, i agree, but I was just hopeing for some new loads in the 300 Win. Mag., 22-250, and would like to see the 300 Jarrett in this book. i have been a Nosler fan and still am, just a little let down. I know pg. 32 is about tooling but the point is, they should have taken more time and put more info instead of copying from another book. Just wanted new loads to try thats all.

The number 6 manual has some juiced .225 gr Whelen loads. The fastest .225 gr load in number 5 was 2525 ft/sec. They now are offering several recipes that push the Whelen up to and over 2800ft ft/sec. That is not your father’s Whelen… CP.

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Originally posted by Doc:
What I'd like to know is if they REALLY tested new bullets or did they just lump them with the old data.

For example; I called Nosler when the 140 AB came out in 270. I called for load data and was told that it did best with XXXX powder (can't remember now). BUT, it just so happened that the powder and charge matched all the previous 140 bullets. So I got the sense that they never bothered testing it, rather, they just added it to the existing list.

Low and behold, same thing happened with my 30.06.

I used to think that upgrading all load data as it became available was the way to go, and still feel that way to a degree, but if a company is going to produce a new bullet, I'd really like to know if it was truly tested or just placed where all of the previous, same wt. bullets are.

If that is the case, I have no intentions of buying yet another manual.

I think the worst offender in not retesting data is Lyman. The Lyman #44 manual, circa 1967, shows 46.0 gr. of IMR-4895 as a starting load and 51.5 gr. as the maximum load for a 150 gr. (make not specified) bullet. The latest Lyman #48 manual, circa 2000, shows exactly the same data except they now say they used the Hornady 150 gr. Spire point (#3031)and give C.U.P. data.
Do they expect me to believe that the data was retested? I no longer trust any data in Lyman's manuals marked in C.U.P. pressure figures. IMHO, I do not believe much of that data marked C.U.P. has been retested. I know it costs money to test the various loads, but to 40 years and think that maybe the powder hasn't changed? Gimme a break. Anyway, this just goes to show why one should always start with the starting load and work up.
Paul B.
Paul B.

Hmmmmmm,

I win dork of the day contest.
I have Ladeboken in Swedish (or is it Norweigan), Manuel de Rechargement (NUMBER 6, ha, ha) in le francais, three different Wiederladens (the RWS version is the most xenophobic), Nick Harvey's Practical Reloading (what a mad man!), the ADI and Somchem manuals (old and new), not to mention Lapua, VV, RUAG, Ramshot/Western and Sako factory loads cadged from the net and other places (thank you, all my moles ).

It seems that most of the manuals have the best data on the cartridges of local interest, or those that they flog in other venues (e.g. the Hornady manual for data on the 376 Steyr).

The larger firms are almost all making the switch to Piezo-electric pressure measuring systems, but most of the smaller companies cannot afford that equipment. Think $250,000.00 to $400,000.00 USD to completely cover the contents of the larger manuals.

I love the technology of Piezo-electric and strain gauge systems, but have never hurt myself through many years of using a Lyman or Lee manual. I still load for my 8 x 57 (G33/40 ) boat gun with the scoop that came with the dies back in the late 1970's.

Sorry about the ramble, there is black ice on the road and no snow tires or chains for the Pickup.

Does anyone know of an attractive female translator who knows the major European languages (and their technical versions)?

Would my spouse notice said translator in the bed while I read the manuals to go to sleep?

Those are the big questions of life.....

LD

lawndart,



Look in your Christmas stocking.........ya never know; you may get lucky.

The Word-of-the-Day is: Zeilfernrohr = Scope or as the Tuetons translate, an "Aiming Distance Pipe"!

Merry Chrsitmas.

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Does anyone know of an attractive female translator who knows the major European languages (and their technical versions)?

Would my spouse notice said translator in the bed while I read the manuals to go to sleep?

Those are the big questions of life.....

LD

My gift to you, ask and you shall receive. Merry Christmas:

I wanted to reply, but after thiss lllast post, I'm ah, I think I'm, ah, i sort of, What was the question?

Ladeboken is Norwegian, so we don`t just make Aquavitae up here......

That book is a fine book and many hours of testing have been puit into that book.

Doc, THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by 5351450:
Doc, THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!

I'm here to please.