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Hello Guys I still have half a lifetimes worth of H4831, and use it just about exclusivley. It appears from some reading that some measures don't handle this sort of powder well I've never had a pwder measure but now want to get one - something that will handle H4831 well. I'd appreciate your suggestions (or even comments !). Cheers - Foster | ||
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The Belding & Mull or any of its clones will work fine with any powder, but they are slow (maybe 6-8 charges a minute). The Quick-Measure will also work, and it's fast (100-charges in <4-minutes). But it's kind of pricey. The B&M clone is to the left with a real B&M in the rear. The Quick-Measure is in the foreground.  Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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Tentman: The only powder measure I use, is the RCBS Uniflow. Since I am not worried about speed, when I am using 4831, or any other long grain powder, I throw in a scale pan, and trickle up to zero. I don't feel they are accurate enough to just throw powder in the case, unless it is IMR4895, or a ball/flake powder. Been doing it this way for years. If I need more speed, I use a progressive loader, and a fine metering powder. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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+1  As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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+2 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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 FWIW, Small differences using 4831 are not as meaningful as the same difference using 4198. For example ; You will get good hunting accuracy, plus, from dispensing the 4831 with the El cheapo LEE powder measure. I have a number of powder dispensers and for small quantity range loading and such the LEE has been the go to gear.  Should it some day give up the ghost before I, then I'll spend another $19.00 and get another.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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RCBS Chargemaster here...works fabulous! Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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+1 Throw and go for me too. I've tried the Hornady, RCBS, Lee, and the Lyman 55. I use the 55 most. | |||
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My Harrells throws it pretty accurate. Youve gotta get your rythum down and use the same speed on your charging handle. 4831 bridges in the measure sometimes so I weigh every charge. | |||
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+3 Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Roger is absolutely right on this.....I've done it several times with no complaints at all.......but it takes so little effort to trickle the last 1/2 grain that it just gives one a warm fuzzy feeling about it!  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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A lot of your accuracy with any powder comes from a consistancy in your movements. What cartridge(s) are you reloading? A throw that was +/- 1 grain or so in a 30-06 wouldn't amount to a lot; in a .222, it would be significant. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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In a .222 one might be using a ball powder like BL(C)-2.....charges would run more like +/- .2 grains at the most.....but your point is valid! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I use a Redding BR measure, it is all in the technique how accurately you can throw course stick powder! This measures more accurately than any other measure I've tried, including a Farrel measure I had for benchrest shooting! I can get +/- .1gr with most stick powders if I keep the movement of the handle consistent. I also average the weight it dispenses by weighing 10 throws, this also allows the measure to settle, as per the instructions. I have found no discernible difference in average velocities even with +/- .5gr in cases of 30-06 size or larger. Cheers. | |||
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Tent I don't think any of the large stick IMR type powders will throw well in large charges. There is an old AMT/Lyman Autoscale that has two tricklers integrated into a housing with an Ohaus scale with the roller poise like the RCBS 10-10. The Autoscale can often be found for much less than $100 US and will throw scale weighed charges at the touch of a button. | |||
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No powder measure has the consistancy of Lee's inexpensive "Perfect" measure with coarse tubular powders. It's not perfect but it's quite good. Follow the instructions and break it in. Use a consistant operation rythum and it'll do as well as most of us actually need for dropped charges, expecially for large charges of slow powders. | |||
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Jim C- Expecting any measure to do well with H4831 is a bit much. That is why I have the Autoscales. | |||
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In the 60s I used up a 50# drum of H- 4831 with my old, still have it, Redding powder measure ; one of the best in its day, never had an accuracy problem  The Basement priced Lee that is now used works just as well. Some of the ones suggested in this thread are truly more suffisticated but are not going to give you much more that really matters in the field. You will just wind up spending more money. What kind of performance do you really need. If you are a game hunter shooting at reasonable distances super accurate powder charges aren't going to put any more meat on the table. Now knowing where your first shot will go with a clean or fouled barrel has a lot of meaning.  the other dispensers! get the Lee.  roger  Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Hello Guys Thanks for the useful ideas and advice, all appreciated. I'm pouring the H4831 into a 6 MM Rem, 257 Roberts and a 7x57 (anyone spot a trend here)all of which are pretty tolerant of anything up to +/- 1/2 a grain (I prefer to be within a 1/10). BUT I'm about to start using it again in my 250 Savage, which has a bit less capacity and more "pernicky-ness". I think I'll try a lee and see how I like throwing charges then weighing them (as opposed to my current practise of dipping them) Thanks - Foster | |||
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I think you'll find that H-414/Win-760 will also serve you well in these cases.....and meters extremely well in just about all powder measures /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Or u can just use a digital dispenser...punch in the charge wt you want and hit enter. It dispenses into the pan. Pick up the pan dump it into the case. Put the pan down hit enter again. Take the charged case drop on a bullet and seat it. Put it in your ammo case and by the time you go back to the dispense your next charge is almost ready. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Dipping accuracy, just like throwing accuracy, depends on a uniformity of movements. IMO, you may pick up a bit of speed by throwing your charges but I doubt that you'll gain any more accuracy. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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