I agree with the RCBS Rockchucker II kit.....and the carbide primer pocket uniformer for those heavy recoiling/dangerous game type rounds......and get a SECOND manual for a cross reference......as you learn and get experience you might want to add some more "nice to have" items but the kit doesn't include any unneeded items that you will regret owning and RCBS is fantastic in customer support and value......good luck and good shooting-loading!!!

Buy the RCBS kit with the RockChucker Press, and if you can afford it a digital scale. RCBS is all around good stuff, other companies make good stuff too but the RCBS is warranted will and will last forever. I don't care for most Lee stuff it's often well designed but too cheaply made. Redding is excellent but usually a little more expensive than RCBS. Forster makes some good stuff but is also more expensive and the excellent CO-AX press won't work with some dies......DJ

1 Get a manual that covers the cartridges your interested in (Hornady and Nosler both have the Rigby data). Personaly I like the Nosler manual.
2 Study the how-to sections. Ask questions about everything you don't understand.
3 RCBS Rockchucker 2 Kit and the RCBS Accessory kit (one of these includes the Speer manual)
4 6" Dial caliper
5 Die set's and shell holders or each caliber (the 375 and the 300wsm might use the same one).
6 Powder, primers as recogmended by the manual in #1.
7 Bullets from the same company that wrote your manual in #1.
8 Start low and workup slow
9 Accuracy is more important than speed

I agree....the rockchucker press kit.

I'd vote for the Hodgdon manual, the wilson case trimmer, a dial caliper from Midway and a powder measure from RCBS or Redding.

Get the rockchucker kit first and then see what else is needed.....folks here are always willing to add their $.02

Build a very strong bench of at least 2' X 4' for the press.....it can take some power to operate at times. 2"X4" construction is not too heavy with a full 1" thick plywood top.

I agree on the RCBS rock chucker. Get the Lee priming tool. If you can afford $220 for a digital scale, get the Lyman 1200 DPS. It not only saves time, but gives me a great peace of mind knowing that the powder is within .1 of a grain. It doesn't care what kind of powder either: stick or ball -- it measures then with the exact same accuracy.

A another neat tool is the flash hole deburring tool. It really makes things a lot more consistant. You only need to deburr the first time you load a new case.

You won't save any money, but you'll have a great time. I'm now building my second wilcat rifle. A few years ago I would have have never dreamed of using a wildcat cartridge, but now, it makes no difference to me.

Good luck and welcome to the insanity.

Kory

I would imagine this topic has been posted here numerous times but wanted to start a fresh thread. I am wanting to get into reloading and would like some thoughts on what a basic set up should be. Are the "kits" any good? What are some definite must-halves and some things that can be avoided. I want good quality, but dont want to spend an absolute fortune. I will be reloading 300 WSM, 375 H&H, and 416 Rigby. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Thanks for all of the input. I must say I am somewhat overwhelmed (about the same as paying $150 for a box of 416 Ribgy). I hope that the forum will be patient with me as I embark on this new endeavour as I am sure to post a few (many) elementary questions. Thanks again for your feedback.

The Lyman manual is one of my favorites. It's clear, and well written.



Spend the extra few bucks and get digital calipers. Harbor Freight has perfectly acceptable 4" and 6" units in the $20 range.



You might take a look at the new Lee Precision Classic Cast press. It's steel, and they claim an exceptionally long opening. Never used one, but at $60, they seem to offer everything that anybody does.



Buy a little piece of carpet, to put on the floor, under your press. That way, when you drop a case, it won't bend the mouth out of round.



Hornady makes a good balance type scale, if you want to go that way.



You'll want a little primer pocket cleaner. They are cheap.

My shpeal:
I got an RCBS Rockchucker kit and an RCBS Video, because I was overwhelmed with how to get started reloading.

If I were to advise someone on how to do it that was a friend, I would show him how, and then loan him enough stuff to do it at his home.

Telling someone how to do it on the internet, I would start out with the tasks that have to be done, and list the cheap tools to get, so the the guy can maintain a mental map of the goals:

38 Special [same die set and shell holder as 357 mag] is very easy and cheap to load, most people have one, and the guns have mountains of safety margin. They are a good place to start.

1) Get the old primer out of the case, called depriming or decapping.
2) Make the case small enough in inside diameter to grip a bullet and small enough on the outside to fit in the chamber. This is called resizing.
Both steps 1) & 2) are usually accomplished in one step as the resizing die has a decapping pin. This will require:
a) Shell holder ~$3 Lee #1 shell holder or ~$5 RCBS #6 shell holder.
The same size shell holder can be used later for 357 mag, 256 Win mag, etc.
b) A resizing die. This die will probably be bought in a kit with one, two, or three other dies. In straight wall cartridges, carbide resizing dies are available at an extra cost. It is always worth the extra to get carbide. Adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set.
Lee 3 die set for 38 special; $21 steel, $23 carbide
RCBS 3 die set for 38 special: $36
c) A press. Lee Reloader press $20 is a real cheapee, but will always find a use. RCBS Rockchucker $90 is a workhorse of the highest quality.
3) Clean the case. This step can be done with a couple twists of the wrist with steel wool, or expensive vibrators. Later when you get more tools, you will clean the primer pocket, but it is not needed.
4) Re prime the case.
a) One can buy a priming tool and do it in 2 seconds or fumble with the primer built into RCBS presses and do it 10 seconds.
Lee Auto prime II $13, RCBS priming tool $26
The two tools I mentioned use the same shell holder as used above in resizing. Beware that Lee also sells another priming system ["Lee auto prime" not "Lee auto primer II"] that uses special shell holders. I would avoid that system to start.
b) One must also buy, beg, borrow, or steal new primers.
To buy them mail order, one would have to pay a Hazardous Materials charge [Haz Mat]. Small purchases would be too expensive. Usually 100 primers can be purchased for $1 or $2 at the local gun store. Primers come in combinations of being; magnum or standard, pistol or rifle, and large or small. For 38 special, small pistol primers are what is needed, and will work with standard or magnum, but most published loads with be with standard primers.
5) Fill the case with powder. This is called charging the case. For this one will need powder and a way to measure powder. With black powder, one just fills the case, but with smokeless powder too much powder will fit. Start out using smokeless powder and measuring it. The amount to use depends on the bullet that will be used. The amount is published in load books, or better still on powder manufacturer's web sites for free.
a) Buy powder. There is the Haz Mat problem again, so off to the neighborhood gunstore. Any "pistol powder" will do. Expect to pay ~$20 for a pound in a gunstore. I like Bullseye or Unique powder made by Alliant, but AA#2 or AA#5 work just as well made by Accurate Arms, or Winchester 231, or Hodgdon HS-6, or Vihtavuori 3N37, or IMR SR7625, or dozens of others.
b) Measure the powder. This can be done with cheap plastic measuring cups with handles from Lee, but I would start out weighing the powder. The weighing scales: Lee Perfect powder measure $20, RCBS Uniflow Powder measure $60 [this tool is really nice]
6) Install the bullet. This is called seating the bullet.
a) Buy bullets. For 38 special, .357" diameter or .358" bullets are normally used. You can buy lead bullets or lead bullets covered with copper called jacketed bullets. I would start out with jacketed bullets. These will cost you 5 to 15 cents each and usually bought in 100's.
b) The seating die should have come in the reloading die kit. Put it in the press and put the primed and charged case in the shell holder. Set the bullet on top of the case and raise the ram [push down on the press lever]
c) Measure the over all length of the cartridge [OAL]. This can be done with a ruler, but is best done with dial calipers. Expect to pay $20 for some Chinese calipers or $100 for American.
7) Crimp the case into the bullet. This means the case must pinch the bullet so hard that recoil will not yank the bullet out when other chambers of the revolver are fired [or so the bullet will not get shoved deeper into the case from recoil in magazine or tube fed cartridge]. The type of crimp depends on the type of cartridge. The rimmed 38 special case should be roll crimped. The rimless 9mm cartridge should be taper crimped. The crimping step can be done in one step with the bullet seating, but I would start out doing it in two separate steps. The two steps look the same [cartridge goes into seating die], but can be different in how the seating die is adjusted. Again, adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set and with the seating die, there is also the adjustment of the seating stem [knurled knob on top of the die].
8) Take notes when you shoot your handloads. Write on the targets. Things like "125 gr. bullets shot way low, but 158 gr. bullets were right on." will come in handy next time you sit down to reload or buy bullets.

>From the above it looks like it will cost $110 to get started.
That is 1/3 of what it cost ME to get started.

There are more steps to loading a bottle shaped rifle cartridge, and even more to get them to be very accurate, but after one masters the 38 special, it will make more sense.

If I were just starting out I'd probably buy an RCBS Rock Chucker kit although I personally prefer Redding. The customer service at RCBS is second to none, and their products last forever. You'll additionally need a 4" or 6" caliper for taking measurements, something to clean primer pockets. I'm guessing your kit will come with a scale for weighing powder charges and a powder dispenser. You'll also need a case lube pad and a tube of lube for case prep. Priming and depriming you can do with the press itself. You'll need a tool for putting a bevel on the inside/outside of the case mouth. Most of this will probably be contained in the kit. I think Midway sells the complete kit you require. You're getting into a fascinating hobby. I wish you well with it. Oh yes, you'll definitely need a good reloading manual. Here I'd suggest Sierra or Nosler although most will do nicely. Best wishes.

Cal - Monteal

Buy a Redding T-7 press. It has room on the turret for seven dies, which should be enough to three 2-die set, or two 2-die sets plus a 3-die set. This way you don't have to remove and replace dies every time you switch cartridge. You may have to pay a little more for the press at the beginning, but more than likely you will save quite a lot in the long run, because sooner or later you will want another press that has room for more than one die.