recently a couple of my reloads were used to kill a cow elk in Colorado. First thing is that I wasn't there when the cow was shot,however, I was along when the said rifle was sighted in. The rifle ( a stock weatherby vanguard chambered for 300 wthby mag) consistently grouped just under 1 inch @ 100yds bullet weight is 180gr. I was told that the cow took 2 shots to kill. Both were chest. entrance wounds were1 1/2-2 inches in diameter. When the animal was opened the insides were completely destroyed but there was no exit wounds from either shot. This was at 200yds. I need some insight. I don't have any experience with nosler accubonds.I would of almost bet there should be an exit wound and a good wound channel. Any help will be helpful. (I used 7828 powder .5gr under maximum load in nosler manual)

Welcome

I would bet you a that you actually had a 1 shot kill. She was dead just hadn't figured it out yet.

I use nothing but accubonds for all my big game hunting deer to Elk and Kudu. I've had exits, just under the skin on the back side, to no exit. Have never lost an animal I have hit with an accubond.

We have beat the accubonds to death.
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A Partition or something like a Barnes might more often have an exit. Question I would ask you want and exit hole or a clean kill? I use Partitions, Barnes and many other normal and premium bullets and now only the accubond.

I shot a mountain caribou at 310 yards with a 130 grain accubond out of a 270WSM.
It was a low chest shot that went through the heart. The caribou ran 30 yards and dropped.
The bullet was a perfect mushroom under the far side hide.

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Originally posted by floor guy:
recently a couple of my reloads were used to kill a cow elk in Colorado. First thing is that I wasn't there when the cow was shot,however, I was along when the said rifle was sighted in. The rifle ( a stock weatherby vanguard chambered for 300 wthby mag) consistently grouped just under 1 inch @ 100yds bullet weight is 180gr. I was told that the cow took 2 shots to kill. Both were chest. entrance wounds were1 1/2-2 inches in diameter. When the animal was opened the insides were completely destroyed but there was no exit wounds from either shot. This was at 200yds. I need some insight. I don't have any experience with nosler accubonds.I would of almost bet there should be an exit wound and a good wound channel. Any help will be helpful. (I used 7828 powder .5gr under maximum load in nosler manual)

Did you recover any bullets, and if so where did you recover them in the animal, what did they look like and how much weight did they retain?

I've had very good accuracy and efficient kills with Accubonds.

I have been using 200gr Accubonds in my 338-06ai this past fall. Shot a bull elk at 200yds in Colorado, he took a few steps and tipped over. Also killed a buck and 2 large boar hogs with the same load, all one shot kills...

Recovered the bullet from the elk under the hide on the far side, and recovered one bullet from one of the hogs, far side under the hide.
Retained weight was 70-80% on the recovered bullets.

They work for me..

I used a 260gr accubond out of a 375 H&H on wild boar in 2011 (factory Federal ammo). Found it just under the off side skin after a broadside behind the shoulder shot, well mushroomed. Never weighed the bullet and can't seem the find it in my gunroom downstairs.

Sounds like it worked, they have a dead elk in the freezer? What was the exact complaint? Elk are not like Deer and they seldom drop at the shot, usually dead on their feet but the old adage is keep shooting until their hooves are in the air.

Fall of 2015 3 Bulls were killed in our camp all with 30 cal 180 Grain Nosler bullets one used Accubond, one Partition and one ballistic tips.
One bullet was recovered from each animal and they all weighed in at 60% weight retained. First 2 were fired from 30/06's and the BT from a 300 Win Mag, no complaints from anyone three dead bulls.

If you want an exit, most of the time, use a Barnes or other mono-metal. I have used Barnes exclusively for big game since 1992, and have yet to recover a Barnes.

However, you have a very dead elk, so it appears the bullet did it's job.

Like Snellstrom said, with Elk, keep shooting until their hooves are in the air.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
Welcome

I would bet you a that you actually had a 1 shot kill. She was dead just hadn't figured it out yet.

I use nothing but accubonds for all my big game hunting deer to Elk and Kudu. I've had exits, just under the skin on the back side, to no exit. Have never lost an animal I have hit with an accubond.

We have beat the accubonds to death.
http://forums.accuratereloadin...&forum_scope=3221043
A Partition or something like a Barnes might more often have an exit. Question I would ask you want and exit hole or a clean kill? I use Partitions, Barnes and many other normal and premium bullets and now only the accubond.

I agree!

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When the animal was opened the insides were completely destroyed but there was no exit wounds from either shot.

Clearly, the second shot was unnecessary (however, if an elk is still on its feet by the time I've bolted a second round into the chamber then I would shoot it a second time, also.)

The last elk I killed was with a 180 Accubond from a .300 H&H. Shot once in the thorax, it wandered in an erratic little circle before hitting the ground. The spent bullet was found lodged in the offside hide (as is so often the case), weighing about 70% of its original weight and very nicely expanded.

If you want a bullet that always exits they are available. And as a bonus, bullets that consistently exit on elk do offer you the extra sport of getting to track down your wounded game.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

If you want a bullet that always exits they are available. And as a bonus, bullets that consistently exit on elk do offer you the extra sport of getting to track down your wounded game.

So how many elk have you shot with these so called bullets? The elk I've killed with them haven't gone more than 12-15 yards, and that's if you want to count the slide downhill, too. Even little tiny bullets from a 7mm-08, oh my! And, dammit I didn't get any of those bullets either, they hit the dirt on the backside of the elk.

I would say they did what they are supposed to do. I have shot quite a few deer and I think a cow elk (can't remember for sure) with AB's in my 280 and 338/06. Some exit, some don't but there was always a dead animal.

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So how many elk have you shot with these so called bullets?

Now why would I shoot elk (or anything else) with marginally expanding bullets, which may or may not down the elk within a reasonable time and distance, when dependably expanding bullets are available?

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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So how many elk have you shot with these so called bullets?

Now why would I shoot elk (or anything else) with marginally expanding bullets, which may or may not down the elk within a reasonable time and distance, when dependably expanding bullets are available?

You're funny! You stated what you considered to be a fact without any experience.

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If you want a bullet that always exits they are available. And as a bonus, bullets that consistently exit on elk do offer you the extra sport of getting to track down your wounded game

Never said he used them.

I'm really surprised this didn't turn into a discussion over exist hole needed Yes/no?

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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If you want a bullet that always exits they are available. And as a bonus, bullets that consistently exit on elk do offer you the extra sport of getting to track down your wounded game

Never said he used them.

I'm really surprised this didn't turn into a discussion over exist hole needed Yes/no?

True

But ... "extra sport of getting to track down your wounded game" without first hand experience.

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extra sport of getting to track down your wounded game" without first hand experience

Well I always felt if I had to track down my wounded animal then either I or my bullet didn't do their job. So if push come to shove 2 leaking holes SHOULD be better than 1. Then we could have an entirely new discussion as to is the exit hole a good or bad thing.

For me I can care less if there is an exit hole if the bullet does what it needed to do on the inside.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

I would bet you a that you actually had a 1 shot kill. She was dead just hadn't figured it out yet.

I use nothing but accubonds for all my big game hunting deer to Elk and Kudu. I've had exits, just under the skin on the back side, to no exit. Have never lost an animal I have hit with an accubond.

I have not yet recovered any Accubonds from Kudu, but I have recovered a Hornady Interbond 150gr .270 Win bullet from a Kudu. The bullet got stuck under the skin on the exit side. The Kudu turned around and dropped dead. The mushroom was 16.8mm and when taking the normal diameter of the .270 bullet it had nearly mushroomed to 2.5 times the bullet diameter. The retaining weight was 84% of the original bullet weight. For many years before I had shot my Kudu with Barnes TSX bullets and the maximum diameter of the bullet's mushroom was 12.5mm from recovered bullets. Most of the Kudu had still ran several meters before dropping. The point I am trying to make is that the bonded bullets gives better instant kills than monolithic bullets for the reason that it mushrooms quick and thereby giving a broader wound channel and more damage to vital organs. With a little compromise on retaining weight I have secured many instant kills. With the unavailability of Hornady Interbonds these days, I have turned to Accubonds. It is an excellent bullet. Unfortunately I have not recovered any Accubonds from Kudu until now.

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Sounds like it worked, they have a dead elk in the freezer? What was the exact complaint? Elk are not like Deer and they seldom drop at the shot, usually dead on their feet but the old adage is keep shooting until their hooves are in the air.

Fall of 2015 3 Bulls were killed in our camp all with 30 cal 180 Grain Nosler bullets one used Accubond, one Partition and one ballistic tips.
One bullet was recovered from each animal and they all weighed in at 60% weight retained. First 2 were fired from 30/06's and the BT from a 300 Win Mag, no complaints from anyone three dead bulls.

I bet they had all of their lifelong problems sorted out in so short of an order.

2 of those bulles fell to a 30-06?