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OK, since Lapua does not offer cases for the 7X57, what is the next best choice, given that Winchester is a total "iff"...Arthur Olds | ||
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RWS! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I recently bought some RWS 7x57 brass from Ralf and Mandy Martini and it is superb stuff. Highly recommended both for the brass and for the seller. | |||
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I like hornady brass when u can find it. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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What's wrong with good military 06 brass? Especially LC and WCC 53. That way you can fit the necks for increased accuracy if you are lucky enough to get the thicker cases. | |||
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Uhh...why go through all that trouble when new brass is just a little over a buck a piece Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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It's not that much trouble, but the reason is that the two brands of military 06 I named are very good brass. There's a lot of commercial junk brass out there. Plus it's very cheap. | |||
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Graf's lists 3 brands as available: Norma, Privi or Rem Either will do. If you are a believer in "premium" brands, Norma is probably not a bad place to start. For me personally, the 7x57 is a hunting type cartridge, and cheaper brass will likely produce excellent results as well. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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What's wrong with Winchester?.....I'd buy it anytime! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I bought a hundred new RWS 7x57 cases and it was a nightmare from the git go. It was all .007 too long, so I had to trim 100 new cases back to spec. Then, the necks were all too tick and the first shot stuck in the chamber after shooting. Necks turned out to be .0195, so I had to outside neck turn all of them to .0145 so they would not interfere with the chamber throat running up pressure. NEVER again.. I'm using Norma 7x57 brass now in one of my 7x57's and it is exceptional. All necks measure .014, and the neck ID's are all .002 smaller than .284, so the cases need no neck sizing prior to first loading. They are good to go with no prep work at all. And, their weights are consaistent within 1.5 percent, so no weight sorting needed. I use Norma brass now in my 222's and 223's and the same is true with them as with this 7x57 brass. I get excellent accuracy out of all the 22 caliber rifles, using Norma brass. Case lengths are within spec too, with all Norma brass. | |||
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I find Norma brass to be made exceptionally well...but I all the ones I have used I found really soft. I also bought some Norma loaded 7.65 Argentine ammo and didn't really let the stock I have left set very long (certainly nothing like 20 years) and when I fired it all of it split in two different rifle...one having a pretty tight chamber. The problem with Winchester, a brand I prefer, is many of their cartridges have become seasonal.....and not all Winchester is made by Winchester. Most the Federal rifle brass I have reloaded was only good for two firing...the original loaded ammo and one reload...the primer pockets would enlarge. Talking mild loads too. Their pistol brass is some of the best I've ever owned. I can't figure why there is such a difference in quality between their rifle and pistol brass. Remington....well I've heard the stories that the best brass switches off from manufacturer to manufacturer from time to time. I don't believe it. In all the years I've been shooting and reloading Remington brass has been number one to give up on me. Their 45 acp brass is possibly the worse in existence...not for failure but for too thin necks. I have very little Lapua and what I have I can't wear out...great stuff. | |||
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When I bought my 7x57 it came with 150 pieces of Frontier brass. Loads nicely and is very accurate in the loads with my rifle. FS | |||
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I've had good luck with Winchester and Remington brass in my 7x57, I've got a couple hundred of each new in the bag but they're waiting for me to wear out some Norma brass that a friend gave me. they've been fired five or six times each and still not showing signs of giving up. | |||
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I found Norma 7x57 to be incredibly soft. i mean REALLY soft. I use WInchester, but used to used Federal all the time in 7x57 and had no complaints. It is just that I usually use WInchester and wnated my 7x57 ammo to match. I know, stupid reason If you can get the RWS stuff then that is what I would do. I prefer RWS over eveyrthing else. | |||
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My preference is Winchester fist, then Remington and Federal way down as last choice. Stuff is as soft as mush. I've had that ame problem with Norma brass not only in 7x57 but in the 6.5x54 MS I had before it was stolen. I recently bought 100 rounds of new Herter's 7x57 brass all in the original boxes. Says, "Made in Sweden on the box, Norma maybe? it does look like quality brass to me. I think I'll ave it for 175 gr. RN loads for the nostalgia of it. The biggest problem with Winchester brass is finding some. I strongly detes their "seasonal" policy. I have the same problem with brass for my .358 Win. too. In both cases, no pun intended, I found a dealer at a gun show and bought up all the Winchester brass he had. (7x57 and .358 Win.) I also bought up all the 7x57 Remington brass he had as well so now I don't have to worry about finding some. load 7x57 pretty doggone hot so brass life isn't all that long. Paul B. | |||
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All of this talk of bad Federal brass got me to thinking about my experieinces, which were all good. BUT...the more I thought about it I bet the newst Federal breass I used was made in the mid-90's. I know I bought 3 boxes of factory ammo a fe wyears ago and shot it, but i doubt I ever reloaded that brass. I had already switched to Winchester and just used the factory loads when I was in a pinch on a trip | |||
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I've Norma, RWS, PMP and Remington cases for my 7x57. Agree with all said about Norma, it is soft, but it is very very well made, get the best accuracy with it. RWS is sturdy stuff, thicker walls and gets the pressures up for the same load (about 50-80fps difference for the same load fired through Norma and RWS). PMP is not dissimilar to RWS: but can only get it after you bought the SA made ammo loaded. Remington, I shall make no comment... Finman better have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.... | |||
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I have tried about every make of 7x57 brass available and currently feel that WW, Federal (this will have to be factory--mine is old boxed brass), Hornady (again factory), or Norma brass to be good. I have also tried RWS and Remington. One suggestion. pick ONE brand (WW) and stick with it as there is agreat deal of difference in cases. | |||
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